Cannot decide between 1U servers for growing company
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@ntoxicator on the HGST 1.8 drives - major firmware issues with those. The right IO patterns with them make them drop off of the bus with no warning.
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My biggest frustration is the strangle hold the server vendors put on you.
I know the type of hardware I want to use for the application. They want to hold my hand and tell me this or that, or say this is what we have as baseline and you have to do it this way.
Just sell me the damn drive trays and let me populate the hard caddy's on my own; its not going to void the warranty. Only item effect would be local disk array - be our responsibility. Big woop
If mobo fails or fails fan; thats not the fault of customer purchased hard drives
I suppose with that mindset, I'm better off with supermicro build.
But supermicro chasis build quality is NOT the same as say a nice Oracle server or HP/CISCO
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@ntoxicator said:
My biggest frustration is the strangle hold the server vendors put on you.
I know the type of hardware I want to use for the application. They want to hold my hand and tell me this or that, or say this is what we have as baseline and you have to do it this way.
Just sell me the damn drive trays and let me populate the hard caddy's on my own; its not going to void the warranty. Only item effect would be local disk array - be our responsibility. Big woop
If mobo fails or fails fan; thats not the fault of customer purchased hard drives
I suppose with that mindset, I'm better off with supermicro build.
But supermicro chasis build quality is NOT the same as say a nice Oracle server or HP/CISCO
So, purchase two or three refurb chassis from XByte. Then populate it with whatever drives you want. If I recall correctly they will support the servers less the drives.
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@ntoxicator said:
Just sell me the damn drive trays and let me populate the hard caddy's on my own; its not going to void the warranty.
E-Bay...
Or vendors like xbyte, which when you buy their SSD drives can also sell you (or maybe they throw in) the cages.
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Amazon has a bunch of sleds also. Usually not too badly priced.
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@ntoxicator said:
ethernet is bonded.
Could install 10GbE cards on servers. But the NAS would still be limitation as does not support PCI-e cards.
Bonding with iSCSI doesn't work. You need MPIO. Have to bond with NFS.
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@ntoxicator said:
Understood. So would have to resort in Local storage on server an dutilize the HA-Lizard HA-iSCSI or HA-Lizard on the node....
Appears to be free module/software - was unaware of it. Is it proven?
NAS is handing out iSCSI LUN's as an FYI
HA-Lizard is just automation around the OS itself. It's not really bringing anything "new" to the table. It is just doing all of the heavy lifting for you.
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@coliver said:
So, purchase two or three refurb chassis from XByte. Then populate it with whatever drives you want. If I recall correctly they will support the servers less the drives.
xByte and/or Dell will support that.
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So oracle came down on price more...
What you guys think of the Older SunFire X4170's ?? I see some of them for sale with the needed specs I'm looking for "e-bay"
Also on E-Bay..
I'm seeing ALOT of CISCO UCS200 and similar servers. Relatively new. This does not appear to be a good sign? Anyone chime in?
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P.S
CDW Rep of mine came back with a quote from CISCO for 1U Servers. Similarlly priced to those of what Oracle came at me with; but the oracles were spec'd nicer..
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@ntoxicator said:
P.S
CDW Rep of mine came back with a quote from CISCO for 1U Servers. Similarlly priced to those of what Oracle came at me with; but the oracles were spec'd nicer..
Can you get enough storage in those 1U servers to support your infrastructure?
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I'm trying to understand the draw to more expensive Oracle/Cisco servers over HP or Dells?
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@Dashrender said:
I'm trying to understand the draw to more expensive Oracle/Cisco servers over HP or Dells?
Perceived expense==quality?
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@Dashrender said:
I'm trying to understand the draw to more expensive Oracle/Cisco servers over HP or Dells?
Oracle makes sense for Enterprise stuff.. Not as much as it used to. But you can't really compare them to your low end Dell/HP stuff.
We have a few (12 I think) Cisco Servers for phone stuff they weren't that expensive (actually cheaper than our 1u Dell stuff) but they have pretty low specs and run ESXi.
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Right now looking at costs of new to present to Finance & CEO.
Otherwise, More than likely I'm sure they'll say no way and I'll just spec a server from xByte
I'm sure I could spec the servers enough with local storage to support the needs. However, then I be diving into HA-lizard terratory and would completely get away from our current NAS centralized storage.
Then its the though, Ok... then why not go with a packaged solution such as HC Scale.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
I'm trying to understand the draw to more expensive Oracle/Cisco servers over HP or Dells?
Perceived expense==quality?
Maybe, to me it seems like a waste of funds. But if money isn't an issue (but according to Scott, and I agree, money is always an issue) then I guess you can get anything you want for any reason
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@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
I'm trying to understand the draw to more expensive Oracle/Cisco servers over HP or Dells?
Oracle makes sense for Enterprise stuff.. Not as much as it used to. But you can't really compare them to your low end Dell/HP stuff.
We have a few (12 I think) Cisco Servers for phone stuff they weren't that expensive (actually cheaper than our 1u Dell stuff) but they have pretty low specs and run ESXi.
Why are you comparing high end Oracle servers to low end HP/Dell? or are you saying that all HP/Dell are low end compared to Oracle? and if that is what you are saying, what make Oracle so much better? All all the leads solid gold? (kidding on that of course)
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Also wondering why so many new CISCO UCS servers are for sale on eBay?
I think I would be more confortable with a refurbished DELL from xByte than buying new from Dell and running a true risk. Unsure of the percentages out there.
Looking at HP, to spec one out; will not be that much cost savings when compairing to CISCO/Oracle.
LENOVO & the Lenovo IBM Server X were thecheapest so far
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@ntoxicator said:
Right now looking at costs of new to present to Finance & CEO.
Otherwise, More than likely I'm sure they'll say no way and I'll just spec a server from xByte
I'm sure I could spec the servers enough with local storage to support the needs. However, then I be diving into HA-lizard terratory and would completely get away from our current NAS centralized storage.
Then its the though, Ok... then why not go with a packaged solution such as HC Scale.
Why are you still using a NAS solution? Didn't we get a lot of advice basically saying that was a terrible idea... why didn't you look at Scale? They seem like they would be a perfect fit for your environment.
