Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow
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@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@coliver said:
@Minion-Queen said:
If we wait till Thursday to do everything we can do a full video (would be with my cell phone).
I think ML needs to invest in a GoPro.
but the ultra wide angle on them would mean you saw nothing of what they were unboxing.
You can change that in settings (you know that by now I'm sure, but maybe others don't) I prefer "Narrow" for unboxing or tutorial videos.
That's fake. It doesn't change the angle. It crops. Not the same thing at all.
It's not really that simple. An easy comparison for cropping would be something like full-frame (FX) vs. cropped (DX) and looking at the comparison. The cropped sensor on a DX body really just takes a portion out of an FX shot, and blows it up, making it look a little blown out and blurry compared to an FX photo.
Cause it's not necessarily cropping as much as it is stretching when you go to the wide setting, to get the angles, so the edges sometimes look a little more distorted than medium or narrow. If it were merely cropped, the center would be the cropped shot, and look somewhat warped rather than squared up across the the whole field of view.
Other than only using the center of the sensor, what is it doing?
Hard to find some good supporting material. The only thing I can find so far is going from the (new-ish) 4k and 2.7k down to 1080p. That definitely crops cause you're essentially just taking a 1080 portion of the 4k video, so it'll look a bit enlarged and blown out. Same thing going from FX to DX. I'll see what I can find though. There has to be something out there that explains it a lot better than I can.
Right, that's the cropping that I was mentioning. That's all that I am aware that it does.
It's changing the degree of the shot. Not the same thing... It's the exact same picture, nothing has been cropped or chopped out. If you were to take a picture and crop it, you're essentially just cutting out a piece of that, and blowing it up to scale (which would make it blown out and somewhat blurred). When you change the viewing angle, you're taking the same 1080 picture that you'd see with that sensor (viewing angle doesn't matter except for light, which is a whole different can of worms), and just stretching it out to a different aspect ratio.
More on that, it's still the same picture. You're just choosing to view a certain portion of that, it's not cropping it though because that would distort the image. It's almost as if you put your hands on the side of your eyes like blinders. To take them away is the same as switching to medium or wide. To crop though, is to take what you see in front of you and stretch it. It's hard for me to explain things, but I chatted GoPro for clarification and it's not cropping. It's the same shot, it's just changing the field of view is all. Cropping is a huge degradation in picture quality.
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@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@coliver said:
@Minion-Queen said:
If we wait till Thursday to do everything we can do a full video (would be with my cell phone).
I think ML needs to invest in a GoPro.
but the ultra wide angle on them would mean you saw nothing of what they were unboxing.
You can change that in settings (you know that by now I'm sure, but maybe others don't) I prefer "Narrow" for unboxing or tutorial videos.
That's fake. It doesn't change the angle. It crops. Not the same thing at all.
It's not really that simple. An easy comparison for cropping would be something like full-frame (FX) vs. cropped (DX) and looking at the comparison. The cropped sensor on a DX body really just takes a portion out of an FX shot, and blows it up, making it look a little blown out and blurry compared to an FX photo.
Cause it's not necessarily cropping as much as it is stretching when you go to the wide setting, to get the angles, so the edges sometimes look a little more distorted than medium or narrow. If it were merely cropped, the center would be the cropped shot, and look somewhat warped rather than squared up across the the whole field of view.
Other than only using the center of the sensor, what is it doing?
Hard to find some good supporting material. The only thing I can find so far is going from the (new-ish) 4k and 2.7k down to 1080p. That definitely crops cause you're essentially just taking a 1080 portion of the 4k video, so it'll look a bit enlarged and blown out. Same thing going from FX to DX. I'll see what I can find though. There has to be something out there that explains it a lot better than I can.
Right, that's the cropping that I was mentioning. That's all that I am aware that it does.
It's changing the degree of the shot. Not the same thing... It's the exact same picture, nothing has been cropped or chopped out. If you were to take a picture and crop it, you're essentially just cutting out a piece of that, and blowing it up to scale (which would make it blown out and somewhat blurred). When you change the viewing angle, you're taking the same 1080 picture that you'd see with that sensor (viewing angle doesn't matter except for light, which is a whole different can of worms), and just opening it out to a different aspect ratio.
Except the lens doesn't move. It can only do it through cropping. It's not the same image.
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@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
More on that, it's still the same picture. You're just choosing to view a certain portion of that, it's not cropping it though because that would distort the image. It's almost as if you put your hands on the side of your eyes like blinders.
You are just describing cropping. That's literally how we test cropping.
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@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@coliver said:
@Minion-Queen said:
If we wait till Thursday to do everything we can do a full video (would be with my cell phone).
I think ML needs to invest in a GoPro.
but the ultra wide angle on them would mean you saw nothing of what they were unboxing.
You can change that in settings (you know that by now I'm sure, but maybe others don't) I prefer "Narrow" for unboxing or tutorial videos.
That's fake. It doesn't change the angle. It crops. Not the same thing at all.
It's not really that simple. An easy comparison for cropping would be something like full-frame (FX) vs. cropped (DX) and looking at the comparison. The cropped sensor on a DX body really just takes a portion out of an FX shot, and blows it up, making it look a little blown out and blurry compared to an FX photo.
Cause it's not necessarily cropping as much as it is stretching when you go to the wide setting, to get the angles, so the edges sometimes look a little more distorted than medium or narrow. If it were merely cropped, the center would be the cropped shot, and look somewhat warped rather than squared up across the the whole field of view.
Other than only using the center of the sensor, what is it doing?
Hard to find some good supporting material. The only thing I can find so far is going from the (new-ish) 4k and 2.7k down to 1080p. That definitely crops cause you're essentially just taking a 1080 portion of the 4k video, so it'll look a bit enlarged and blown out. Same thing going from FX to DX. I'll see what I can find though. There has to be something out there that explains it a lot better than I can.
Right, that's the cropping that I was mentioning. That's all that I am aware that it does.
It's changing the degree of the shot. Not the same thing... It's the exact same picture, nothing has been cropped or chopped out. If you were to take a picture and crop it, you're essentially just cutting out a piece of that, and blowing it up to scale (which would make it blown out and somewhat blurred). When you change the viewing angle, you're taking the same 1080 picture that you'd see with that sensor (viewing angle doesn't matter except for light, which is a whole different can of worms), and just opening it out to a different aspect ratio.
Except the lens doesn't move. It can only do it through cropping. It's not the same image.
So what I was told from GoPro doesn't equal exactly what their pro tech guys have for their field guide. In short, it is cropping. So you're right, and all my chatter was just white noise.
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@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
To crop though, is to take what you see in front of you and stretch it.
That's not what cropping means. That's stretching. Cropping is all that a pure digital alteration can do and the GoPro is digital only, no lens modification for zooming.
All we are describing here is digital zoom, which is just another marketing term for cropping as well.
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@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@coliver said:
@Minion-Queen said:
If we wait till Thursday to do everything we can do a full video (would be with my cell phone).
I think ML needs to invest in a GoPro.
but the ultra wide angle on them would mean you saw nothing of what they were unboxing.
You can change that in settings (you know that by now I'm sure, but maybe others don't) I prefer "Narrow" for unboxing or tutorial videos.
That's fake. It doesn't change the angle. It crops. Not the same thing at all.
It's not really that simple. An easy comparison for cropping would be something like full-frame (FX) vs. cropped (DX) and looking at the comparison. The cropped sensor on a DX body really just takes a portion out of an FX shot, and blows it up, making it look a little blown out and blurry compared to an FX photo.
Cause it's not necessarily cropping as much as it is stretching when you go to the wide setting, to get the angles, so the edges sometimes look a little more distorted than medium or narrow. If it were merely cropped, the center would be the cropped shot, and look somewhat warped rather than squared up across the the whole field of view.
Other than only using the center of the sensor, what is it doing?
Hard to find some good supporting material. The only thing I can find so far is going from the (new-ish) 4k and 2.7k down to 1080p. That definitely crops cause you're essentially just taking a 1080 portion of the 4k video, so it'll look a bit enlarged and blown out. Same thing going from FX to DX. I'll see what I can find though. There has to be something out there that explains it a lot better than I can.
Right, that's the cropping that I was mentioning. That's all that I am aware that it does.
It's changing the degree of the shot. Not the same thing... It's the exact same picture, nothing has been cropped or chopped out. If you were to take a picture and crop it, you're essentially just cutting out a piece of that, and blowing it up to scale (which would make it blown out and somewhat blurred). When you change the viewing angle, you're taking the same 1080 picture that you'd see with that sensor (viewing angle doesn't matter except for light, which is a whole different can of worms), and just opening it out to a different aspect ratio.
Except the lens doesn't move. It can only do it through cropping. It's not the same image.
So what I was told from GoPro doesn't equal exactly what their pro tech guys have for their field guide. In short, it is cropping. So you're right, and all my chatter was just white noise.
I knew that it was cropping from GoPro's manual. Maybe they modified it for the Hero4, but I was aware of the cropping option only because of them. Perhaps they got in trouble for pretending that it was something other than cropping.
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@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
To crop though, is to take what you see in front of you and stretch it.
That's not what cropping means. That's stretching. Cropping is all that a pure digital alteration can do and the GoPro is digital only, no lens modification for zooming.
All we are describing here is digital zoom, which is just another marketing term for cropping as well.
GoPro tech support described the viewing angles specifically as stretching. But their various field guides that I found specifically state cropping. So there is some overlap in their terminology.. I even asked GoPro point blank "is it simply cropping when you change FOV angles?" Direct answer was no.
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@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
To crop though, is to take what you see in front of you and stretch it.
That's not what cropping means. That's stretching. Cropping is all that a pure digital alteration can do and the GoPro is digital only, no lens modification for zooming.
All we are describing here is digital zoom, which is just another marketing term for cropping as well.
GoPro tech support described the viewing angles specifically as stretching. But their various field guides that I found specifically state cropping. So there is some overlap in their terminology.. I even asked GoPro point blank "is it simply cropping when you change FOV angles?" Direct answer was no.
They DO do some weird stuff where they use typically unused parts of the sensors for something weird. But I don't think that they leverage that here.
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@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@coliver said:
@Minion-Queen said:
If we wait till Thursday to do everything we can do a full video (would be with my cell phone).
I think ML needs to invest in a GoPro.
but the ultra wide angle on them would mean you saw nothing of what they were unboxing.
You can change that in settings (you know that by now I'm sure, but maybe others don't) I prefer "Narrow" for unboxing or tutorial videos.
That's fake. It doesn't change the angle. It crops. Not the same thing at all.
It's not really that simple. An easy comparison for cropping would be something like full-frame (FX) vs. cropped (DX) and looking at the comparison. The cropped sensor on a DX body really just takes a portion out of an FX shot, and blows it up, making it look a little blown out and blurry compared to an FX photo.
Cause it's not necessarily cropping as much as it is stretching when you go to the wide setting, to get the angles, so the edges sometimes look a little more distorted than medium or narrow. If it were merely cropped, the center would be the cropped shot, and look somewhat warped rather than squared up across the the whole field of view.
Other than only using the center of the sensor, what is it doing?
Hard to find some good supporting material. The only thing I can find so far is going from the (new-ish) 4k and 2.7k down to 1080p. That definitely crops cause you're essentially just taking a 1080 portion of the 4k video, so it'll look a bit enlarged and blown out. Same thing going from FX to DX. I'll see what I can find though. There has to be something out there that explains it a lot better than I can.
Right, that's the cropping that I was mentioning. That's all that I am aware that it does.
It's changing the degree of the shot. Not the same thing... It's the exact same picture, nothing has been cropped or chopped out. If you were to take a picture and crop it, you're essentially just cutting out a piece of that, and blowing it up to scale (which would make it blown out and somewhat blurred). When you change the viewing angle, you're taking the same 1080 picture that you'd see with that sensor (viewing angle doesn't matter except for light, which is a whole different can of worms), and just opening it out to a different aspect ratio.
Except the lens doesn't move. It can only do it through cropping. It's not the same image.
So what I was told from GoPro doesn't equal exactly what their pro tech guys have for their field guide. In short, it is cropping. So you're right, and all my chatter was just white noise.
I knew that it was cropping from GoPro's manual. Maybe they modified it for the Hero4, but I was aware of the cropping option only because of them. Perhaps they got in trouble for pretending that it was something other than cropping.
Skip to 4:39... Doesn't get much more direct than the field guide. Not sure why GoPro over chat suggested that it was specifically stretching.
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Their tech support might not be all that technical
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@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
Their tech support might not be all that technical
That might be an understatement... Well I was wrong. I didn't think they did that. If I had my GoPro with me I could have just simply tested my misguided theory. lol
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@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
Their tech support might not be all that technical
That might be an understatement... Well I was wrong. I didn't think they did that. If I had my GoPro with me I could have just simply tested my misguided theory. lol
Not sure how easy it is to tell. Lots of people crop without knowing it. Although for video it is more obvious than with video.
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@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@BBigford said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
@scottalanmiller said in Our New Scale Cluster Arrives Tomorrow:
Their tech support might not be all that technical
That might be an understatement... Well I was wrong. I didn't think they did that. If I had my GoPro with me I could have just simply tested my misguided theory. lol
Not sure how easy it is to tell. Lots of people crop without knowing it. Although for
videophotos it is more obvious than with video.Fixed that.
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