ProjectSend
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@Dashrender said:
Perhaps I could make an external document stating that I made a phone call regarding this information, again something I would never do at this company, but that external data could only refer to say a chart number, but no name or phone number.
But the point is that the breach has already happened. And not to protect your systems either, because it isn't your data being protected. That's a fundamental thing to consider. None of this, in any way, is to protect you.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
If the IP's and the phone numbers and the logon IDs are all inside the HIPAA controlled system, why would I need to leave it?
Because it goes to you, you being IT and not being part of the health care delivery system are the breach yourself. You are personally the system outside of the HIPAA control. The point of HIPAA is to restrict who gets access to my records to the people who need it in order to deliver my healthcare, you are not one of those people.
you implied the healthcare part of this. Not sure that's actually there. The Covered Entity decides who does and who doesn't get access to the HPI.
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You are basically saying that a Covered Entity can't decide that they want to do this, and do it... and I'd like to know why you feel that way?
Also, why do you feel that puts you at more risk?
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@Dashrender said:
you implied the healthcare part of this. Not sure that's actually there. The Covered Entity decides who does and who doesn't get access to the HPI.
Is that true? The covered entity gets unlimited choice in that matter? Having worked in hospitals doing HIPAA work consulting, that was very much not true by our and their belief. I've never seen anything in the HIPAA regulations that suggested that a covered entity had any such say.
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@Dashrender said:
You are basically saying that a Covered Entity can't decide that they want to do this, and do it... and I'd like to know why you feel that way?
I feel this way because it is my understanding of the law and the only way that the law makes sense. Why would ANY unnecessary use or unauthorized use of my private data be allowed when we are talking about a law specifically to stop the unnecessary and unauthorized use of that data?
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@Dashrender said:
Also, why do you feel that puts you at more risk?
What is the risk that HIPAA is to protect against? Unnecessary people getting access to my data.
What has happened? Exactly that.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
You are basically saying that a Covered Entity can't decide that they want to do this, and do it... and I'd like to know why you feel that way?
I feel this way because it is my understanding of the law and the only way that the law makes sense. Why would ANY unnecessary use or unauthorized use of my private data be allowed when we are talking about a law specifically to stop the unnecessary and unauthorized use of that data?
Just because you consider it unnecessary does not mean others don't. You consider this entire approach pointless boarding on meaningless, I simply don't agree.
Again, and I'll continue to state this, I would never do as @dafyre suggested and call patients based on an IP seeming to be coming from a bad location.
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@Dashrender said:
Just because you consider it unnecessary does not mean others don't. You consider this entire approach pointless boarding on meaningless, I simply don't agree.
But... is it your call at all? It's not your data. Why would you have an association with the data at all?
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@Dashrender said:
Again, and I'll continue to state this, I would never do as @dafyre suggested and call patients based on an IP seeming to be coming from a bad location.
So how would you use it, then?
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And more importantly.... why?
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@Dashrender said:
Again, and I'll continue to state this, I would never do as @dafyre suggested and call patients based on an IP seeming to be coming from a bad location.
I never suggested I'd be calling patients. Only employees of the company that I work for.
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@dafyre said:
@Dashrender said:
Again, and I'll continue to state this, I would never do as @dafyre suggested and call patients based on an IP seeming to be coming from a bad location.
I never suggested I'd be calling patients. Only employees of the company that I work for.
My mistake.
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@Dashrender 8-) --
But this is one of the reasons that IT can be such a complicated field. You get ten different people talking about the same thing, you get three rabbit holes, 2 topics, and a whole mess of confusion, lol.
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Agreed.
When it comes to direct patient access, I probably wouldn't care where they access it from, and if I could skip all tracking of that I might consider it. That said who's to blame if a patients account is accessed using their credentials and the account holder didn't authorize it? The Covered Entity (CE)?
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@Dashrender said:
Agreed.
When it comes to direct patient access, I probably wouldn't care where they access it from, and if I could skip all tracking of that I might consider it. That said who's to blame if a patients account is accessed using their credentials and the account holder didn't authorize it? The Covered Entity (CE)?
Is that true even if they have their own account and someone authenticated as them? I'm am unaware of any such liability when proper precautions are taken.
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@Reid-Cooper said:
nd want to talk
No. If I wrote this it would be written in MVC for PHP. I was looking for an open source solution, found one and feel it needs some tweaks but its a good solution overall.
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@scottalanmiller said:
he web logs for MangoLassi would tell us almost nothing. It would show only one connection for each tab that you have open rather than info about each page that you go to. That's why we rely on the application itself for stats. Only the app knows when it has shown a p
I noticed this right away when I came to MLIT because the views tick at each view instead of unique views.
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@dafyre I havent felt out the product yet, but I did install centOS into a vm last night, then installed nethserver and owncloud to check it all out. I still like this ProjectSend open source solution though.
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@Dashrender said:
" it can run using its own stand-alone user database or run using LDAP / AD for the User database. "I wouldnt want to tie it into AD except for system users. Client users (remote users) should not have accounts in my AD because thats one more thing I have to worry about.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
So if the user is liable for their own account why are you tracking IP addresses? You just said after you give them the information you are no longer responsible for how they access it.
I'd say tracking IPs is bad because there is nothing good that could come from storing that information.
Tracking IP's is not bad, but its not entirely reliable unless you make a reverse proxy connection.
