ZeroTier and DNS issues
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The owner, soon to be division CEO of Lastpass was on Security Now yesterday.
One of the things he mentioned was that he hoped to get Himachi under his umbrella and bring it back to life. I'm not sure what that has to do with identity, but he felt that they were related and could bring new life to LogMeIn.
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@Dashrender said:
The owner, soon to be division CEO of Lastpass was on Security Now yesterday.
One of the things he mentioned was that he hoped to get Himachi under his umbrella and bring it back to life. I'm not sure what that has to do with identity, but he felt that they were related and could bring new life to LogMeIn.
Hamachi has identical issues to ZeroTier here and LMI has no engineering talent left or else they would get LMI working instead of it slowly dying off. Hamachi has been dead for nearly a decade, it's time to bury those products.
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One thing you may want to check is that your LAN / Wireless connections are above the ZeroTier interface under Network Connections -> Advanced Settings
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
The owner, soon to be division CEO of Lastpass was on Security Now yesterday.
One of the things he mentioned was that he hoped to get Himachi under his umbrella and bring it back to life. I'm not sure what that has to do with identity, but he felt that they were related and could bring new life to LogMeIn.
Hamachi has identical issues to ZeroTier here and LMI has no engineering talent left or else they would get LMI working instead of it slowly dying off. Hamachi has been dead for nearly a decade, it's time to bury those products.
I hear what you are saying - I think this is why LMI bought Lastpass. The LP guys still have fire in their belly. Hopefully they can turn things around...
The problem I have with them is their pricing structure. The product has always been solid for me.
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@dafyre said:
One thing you may want to check is that your LAN / Wireless connections are above the ZeroTier interface under Network Connections -> Advanced Settings
One Million +'s to you bro! I'm sure that will majorly help some issues!
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@Dashrender said:
I hear what you are saying - I think this is why LMI bought Lastpass. The LP guys still have fire in their belly. Hopefully they can turn things around...
Engineering can't fix ethics. LastPass has zero ability to fix LogMeIn.
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@Dashrender said:
The problem I have with them is their pricing structure. The product has always been solid for me.
The problems we have are these, in this order:
- Ethics
- Pricing
- Product
In theory they can fix the last two, but seems totally unlikely at this point. The first is a core "that is who they are as a business" issue that can't be fixed.
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Another thing (while not a clean solution), you could also test using netbios names as opposed to FQDNs. I am asking the ZeroTier guys what we can do about this.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I hear what you are saying - I think this is why LMI bought Lastpass. The LP guys still have fire in their belly. Hopefully they can turn things around...
Engineering can't fix ethics. LastPass has zero ability to fix LogMeIn.
and mentioning ethics, I'm assuming you're talking about how they promised LMI Free would be free forever.
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@dafyre said:
Another thing (while not a clean solution), you could also test using netbios names as opposed to FQDNs. I am asking the ZeroTier guys what we can do about this.
Why are they not in the community?
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@Dashrender said:
and mentioning ethics, I'm assuming you're talking about how they promised LMI Free would be free forever.
Technically it was free forever, til the end of the LMI free products life.
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@dafyre said:
Another thing (while not a clean solution), you could also test using netbios names as opposed to FQDNs. I am asking the ZeroTier guys what we can do about this.
lol - I started by pinging servername - but that was converted to the FQDN and then the ZT IP was found.
What was weird, once I removed IPv6 from the server I was trying to ping from, then suddenly I was getting the IP I was expecting.
The ability for the system to jump from protocol to protocol (IPv4, IPv6, NetBIOS) definitely complicates things.
Even more weird.. I have no IPv6 entries in my local DNS servers, yet it is enabled in most of my client workstations and a few of my servers.. WTF?
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@scottalanmiller This is a good question. I have invited them in at least twice. Third time is a charm, maybe?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
Another thing (while not a clean solution), you could also test using netbios names as opposed to FQDNs. I am asking the ZeroTier guys what we can do about this.
Why are they not in the community?
Which community?
They are more active than Pertino online... -
@Dashrender said:
and mentioning ethics, I'm assuming you're talking about how they promised LMI Free would be free forever.
Yes, they made a big commitment to their customers and reneged on it. Even after being confronted, they continued to do it anyway and have continued to do so for the years since. Every day they have the option to apologize and honour their commitments and every day they decide to not stand by their word and commitment. It's not a one time thing, it's an ongoing, every day thing that they continue to do. They always have the option to try to make up for that mistake and they decide daily to not do it.
A vendor with access to your data and that holds your infrastructure potentially hostage is certainly not one that you want to be unable to trust.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Which community?
They are more active than Pertino online...THE community, the one that we are in.
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@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
and mentioning ethics, I'm assuming you're talking about how they promised LMI Free would be free forever.
Technically it was free forever, til the end of the LMI free products life.
LOL I was going to say the same thing. It was free, they didn't make it not free. They simply killed off the product, quote unquote.
But that point is also arguable because if you are a Central user, you get LMI Free to deploy on as machine machines as your Central license allows...
It's all a word game!
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not that this adds anything to this discussion...but i'm going to look into ZT as a possible Tino reinforcement/replacement.
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@Dashrender said:
Technically it was free forever, til the end of the LMI free products life.
That's not forever. And it still existed and was STILL called Free. It didn't even stay free to the end of life. It was not killed off.
And what you describe is purely semantics for the purpose of deceiving customers. That's even worse than just not honouring their commitments, that's seriously evil.
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@scottalanmiller said:
A vendor with access to your data and that holds your infrastructure potentially hostage is certainly not one that you want to be unable to trust.
How are they holding your infrastructure potentially hostage? They told everyone they were shutting down, and I'm assuming that they disconnected the endpoints where people choose not to pay. As far as I know LMI isn't preventing anyone from using another vendor to provide this same service.
