Topics regarding Inverted Pyramids Of Doom
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And another one. Looking at SAN vs VSAN but doesn't know which SAN. How could they choose the SAN route without knowing which SAN to use to make the decision?
http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1261829-reliable-easy-to-maintain-san
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How can these come up so often?
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Because people automatically assume that SANs make keeping the magic smoke inside that much easier.
When done correctly, I would argue that SANs do... but we've already been down that rabbit trail a few times, lol.
The problem is that when a lot of business look at the cost of building a SAN they don't build in redundancy or plan for component failures or anything like that.
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@dafyre said:
Because people automatically assume that SANs make keeping the magic smoke inside that much easier.
When done correctly, I would argue that SANs do... but we've already been down that rabbit trail a few times, lol.
The problem is that when a lot of business look at the cost of building a SAN they don't build in redundancy or plan for component failures or anything like that.
I would argue that when done correctly and there is a need, SANs do make keeping the magic smoke inside much easier.... I think the valid need thing is something most companies don't even look into.
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@dafyre said:
Because people automatically assume that SANs make keeping the magic smoke inside that much easier.
When done correctly, I would argue that SANs do... but we've already been down that rabbit trail a few times, lol.
The problem is that when a lot of business look at the cost of building a SAN they don't build in redundancy or plan for component failures or anything like that.
Even then, they don't add value until you get to large scale. SANs never make things safer. Anything you can do with a SAN you can do safer without.
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In these scenerios Managers are consumers - they just see shiney words and say make it happen.. real IT folks aren't involved.
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@Dashrender said:
In these scenerios Managers are consumers - they just see shiney words and say make it happen.. real IT folks aren't involved.
Problem is, of course, a management issue. If they are willing to do this to IT, what makes them not randomly select benefits for HR or accounting practices for finance?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
In these scenerios Managers are consumers - they just see shiney words and say make it happen.. real IT folks aren't involved.
Problem is, of course, a management issue. If they are willing to do this to IT, what makes them not randomly select benefits for HR or accounting practices for finance?
I'm guessing age and standardization? IT hasn't really be around that long compared to the other two. While things change in Accounting and HR it takes a very long time and is usually dictated by laws of some sort.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
In these scenerios Managers are consumers - they just see shiney words and say make it happen.. real IT folks aren't involved.
Problem is, of course, a management issue. If they are willing to do this to IT, what makes them not randomly select benefits for HR or accounting practices for finance?
I'm guessing age and standardization? IT hasn't really be around that long compared to the other two. While things change in Accounting and HR it takes a very long time and is usually dictated by laws of some sort.
Maybe, but IT has that same level of age and standardization around good basic architecture, as least as HR stuff, maybe not accounting. IT actually changes more slowly than those two in that area.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
In these scenerios Managers are consumers - they just see shiney words and say make it happen.. real IT folks aren't involved.
Problem is, of course, a management issue. If they are willing to do this to IT, what makes them not randomly select benefits for HR or accounting practices for finance?
I'm guessing age and standardization? IT hasn't really be around that long compared to the other two. While things change in Accounting and HR it takes a very long time and is usually dictated by laws of some sort.
Maybe, but IT has that same level of age and standardization around good basic architecture, as least as HR stuff, maybe not accounting. IT actually changes more slowly than those two in that area.
As far as the basics? I can see that to some extent.
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Yeah, accounting and HR have a constantly shifting landscape of laws. IT generally does not. Good practices have been more or less established since 1964 without too much changing. Minor tweaks but the overall ideas have been pretty solid.
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But the law aspect also plays a lot into the ability of those departments to not just be overrun by cowboy management.
IT rarely has that in their corner.
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@Dashrender said:
But the law aspect also plays a lot into the ability of those departments to not just be overrun by cowboy management.
IT rarely has that in their corner.
One could say that about fiduciary responsibility in IT too, and yet they ignore that when sabotaging businesses in that department.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
But the law aspect also plays a lot into the ability of those departments to not just be overrun by cowboy management.
IT rarely has that in their corner.
One could say that about fiduciary responsibility in IT too, and yet they ignore that when sabotaging businesses in that department.
That only matters in Public companies, right?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
But the law aspect also plays a lot into the ability of those departments to not just be overrun by cowboy management.
IT rarely has that in their corner.
One could say that about fiduciary responsibility in IT too, and yet they ignore that when sabotaging businesses in that department.
That only matters in Public companies, right?
Not exactly, but basically. It is only forced by the SEC in public companies. As a private company if the owners / investors caught someone doing this they could also fire and then sue them as well. But as a private company the investors also have the right to tell the people that wasting money is just fine. In a public company you can't choose to do that unless you are a B Corp and then it is complex in other ways.
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So the difference is basically in public companies you face the equivalent of a class action and in private ones you face a direct suit. But same risks.
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This guy has 5 servers running only 20 vms stored on a Netgear SAN.
http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1264839-enterprise-nas-san-and-backup-solution-question
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@brianlittlejohn said:
This guy has 5 servers running only 20 vms stored on a Netgear SAN.
http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1264839-enterprise-nas-san-and-backup-solution-question
And wasn't he considering moving to a QNAP as some sort of "solution?" He stated enterprise in the title and then went for every possible way to be as far from enterprise as you could imagine.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
This guy has 5 servers running only 20 vms stored on a Netgear SAN.
http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1264839-enterprise-nas-san-and-backup-solution-question
And wasn't he considering moving to a QNAP as some sort of "solution?" He stated enterprise in the title and then went for every possible way to be as far from enterprise as you could imagine.
Yea, it had all kinds of bad written all over it.
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And only six drives. His IPOD is only one of many problems - which is generally the case. People doing really bad things that break best practices and undermine their goals in obvious and fundamental ways often have smaller bad decisions all over the place because the processes that caused the one are often still around.
