i put myself in a big problem
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@IT-ADMIN good lord
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@IT-ADMIN said:
I know for sure it is very toxic environment and in anytime I may face total down time. But how I can deal with this toxic legacy system that I'm in
Note that I may face a licence issue when p2v. Cuz the windows servet is cracked!Best answer might be to let them lose everything and to go out of business.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
- application server (8 GB RAM and has 2 HD with no RAID)
So no RAID, no backups, no snapshots, no virtualization.... this is crazy.
Wow.. just wow!
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@scottalanmiller best answer for the good of the planet perhaps, but I am starting to feel really bad for @IT-ADMIN
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller best answer for the good of the planet perhaps, but I am starting to feel really bad for @IT-ADMIN
Thank you very much @MattSpeller for your understanding, I'm really struggling with this crazy business. The it infrastructure is very poor
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@IT-ADMIN said:
I'm really struggling with this crazy business. The business and management is very poor
FTFY
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Dear Scott, according to my preexisting setup, is there any chance to virtualize in my situation?
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Virtualizing now won't undo the damage that has been done to your existing systems, but it will make recovery easy in the future.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller best answer for the good of the planet perhaps, but I am starting to feel really bad for @IT-ADMIN
Yes, he is in a terrible situation. The upside of the company failing, though, is that it would release him from his long term obligations there. It is actually in his personal interest for the company to go out of business.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
Dear Scott, according to my preexisting setup, is there any chance to virtualize in my situation?
Possible but will be very difficult as you have no spare gear with which to do the conversions and no good equipment to run it on. But I think that it can probably be done with some creative work.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Virtualizing now won't undo the damage that has been done to your existing systems, but it will make recovery easy in the future.
He has recovered now.
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Ah, sorry I thought he was still having issues.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Ah, sorry I thought he was still having issues.
anyway, thank you for your concern
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beside from my situation i have a question :
let's suppose that i have i licensed physical windows server 2008 R2, in which i have some application and some SQL instances, if i P2V, is the VM i get will have the same license key ??
i'm confused regarding licenses when it come to virtualization
also is the new VM will have the very same application with SQL server and all configuration and license key ???
i guess for this to work only one machine should be online (P or V not both otherwise i get blacklisted by microsoft) am i right ????? -
@IT-ADMIN said:
beside from my situation i have a question :
let's suppose that i have i licensed physical windows server 2008 R2, in which i have some application and some SQL instances, if i P2V, is the VM i get will have the same license key?
i'm confused regarding licenses when it come to virtualizationIt has nothing to do with virtualization. The problem is that you will be moving to new hardware, you will have the same issue if your hardware fails and you have to replace it. Any major change of hardware, including virtualizing, will cause the operating system to have to verify again. So had they virtualized originally you would have been protected, but since they did not they have decided on having yet another risk that they are not aware of - they can't restore even if they had a backup because the license will never work anywhere.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i guess for this to work only one machine should be online (P or V not both otherwise i get blacklisted by microsoft) am i right ?????
You are already blacklisted by Microsoft. What are you afraid will happen?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
i guess for this to work only one machine should be online (P or V not both otherwise i get blacklisted by microsoft) am i right ?????
You are already blacklisted by Microsoft. What are you afraid will happen?
hhhhhhhhhhh
no the 2 server now is activated and has a product ID and it show that it is genuine but how, we don't know
the guy who sold us the 2 DELL poweredge, he installed windows server 2008 R2, but he didn't give us the license key,
there is a method to crack the windows server and still microsoft is unaware of
i know that this maybe a bit weird to US people but in other part of the world this is happening -
We have two issues here. One is ethics and companies in other countries doing this stuff is one of the reasons that Americans and Europeans often fear doing business with Asia and the Middle East - if people are willing to steal blatantly from Microsoft why would they not steal from us? It makes us culturally afraid of doing business with those regions if there are not really strong controls protecting us from people who are openly willing to steal as long as they can get away with it (not that many Americans will not steal too, but we turn them in and they pay fees for that stuff.) The ethics gap is huge and the Western world often attributes the Western wealth and affluence to this as a key factor. Being able to trust people that you meet is a big deal.
The other is legal issues. Here we are audited regularly and the fines for stealing software are huge. The risk is very high and any employee can turn you in if they know (or just suspect) that you have been stealing software. So you'd have to be completely crazy to do it in the US if you don't 100% trust that everyone that works for you won't tell - and that makes no sense because why would you be able to trust people whose common factor is they they are willing to steal things?
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There is a third factor as well - and that is the impression of the business. To an American you don't really work for a business, you work for a couple of kids playing around with pretending to run a company. They don't treat the "business" that you work for as seriously as American or European (or Nicaraguan in my case) IT pros take themselves. I own more, better servers and legally own more and better software than the "company" that you work for has. I use good RAID, take backups, have failover, all my software is up to date, etc. And fully licensed.
It's very hard for a company to compete when they don't see themselves as a real business in any way and even harder when the companies that they want to do business with laugh at them and see them as kids playing rather than adults running a business.
You'd be surprised what a big factor it is when you can't really take one of the parties seriously.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
the guy who sold us the 2 DELL poweredge, he installed windows server 2008 R2, but he didn't give us the license key,
there is a method to crack the windows server and still microsoft is unaware ofThere is likely a way but it is not something that I know anything about. Microsoft is getting better and better at making this very hard to do, but you are running two generations old so the chances that you can get it to work are better than if you were current.
