Staying Anonymous Online
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More of what a good Internet country looks like
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@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
What does moving to a country with "good internet connection speeds, but limited ability to track its citizens" even look like?
It looks like this...
Just because they haven't been caught spying on you, does not mean they are not.
Tin foil hattery? Perhaps.
Think of what would have been said about that statement before snowden.
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@MattSpeller said:
Just because they haven't been caught spying on you, does not mean they are not.
The point is.... they lack the resources to be doing it.
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@scottalanmiller for argument's sake, that did not stop the Canadian gov.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller for argument's sake, that did not stop the Canadian gov.
Except Canada has tons of resources and is a country more than ten times the size of Panama. Richer and larger equals resources. Also, Canada is a tech country, Panama is a logistics country.
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Costa Rica also has great Internet, but also a bit more money for spying on you, I think.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
What does moving to a country with "good internet connection speeds, but limited ability to track its citizens" even look like?
It looks like this...
Just because they haven't been caught spying on you, does not mean they are not.
Tin foil hattery? Perhaps.
Think of what would have been said about that statement before snowden.
"That they are spying on you of course, but who cares" would've been the response. It's the scale of the spying, not the fact that they're doing it.
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When looking for countries that lack the financial and technical infrastructure to do spying but still have great Internet you definitely get pretty limited. Panama is actually and just coincidentally pretty unique here, I think. Most of Central America lacks the good infrastructure to qualify.
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@DustinB3403 said:
It's the scale of the spying, not the fact that they're doing it.
Or the quality of it. What the NSA can track vs. what other countries can track differs a lot. Panama may or may not capture all my packets, but what they can do to piece it all back together or store it is not on par with the US (or Canada.)
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@scottalanmiller said:
When looking for countries that lack the financial and technical infrastructure to do spying but still have great Internet you definitely get pretty limited. Panama is actually and just coincidentally pretty unique here, I think. Most of Central America lacks the good infrastructure to qualify.
I think that's a tad naive, but without proof either way it's a bit pointless to argue over
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@MattSpeller said:
I think that's a tad naive, but without proof either way it's a bit pointless to argue over
Naive to think which part? They are certainly poor and small. The entire country is only as big as St. Louis. It's a country that lacks money and has almost no technical expertise. Unlike the US or Canada which has it native, all expertise here is imported for IT, often from Columbia and Mexico at great expense. There just isn't money or scale to be able to approach these things like big, rich countries can.
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It doesn't mean that they are not doing it, but it does imply that they can't do it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
It doesn't mean that they are not doing it, but it does imply that they can't do it.
You think the NSA just waves a hand and says "yeahhhh those Panamanians, good decent folk. Ignore them."
Dollars to doughnuts they're in bed with the NSA.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
It doesn't mean that they are not doing it, but it does imply that they can't do it.
You think the NSA just waves a hand and says "yeahhhh those Panamanians, good decent folk. Ignore them."
Dollars to doughnuts they're in bed with the NSA.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying that the NSA gives monitoring to Panama? Or that Panama is being spied on by the US and it's axis of spy powers (UK, NZ, Canada, Australia?)
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@scottalanmiller were I a betting man, it'd be some combo of the latter and former. I'm not even sure the NSA would need to ask - don't recall the pipeline layout for south america.
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My point being, I don't think you can surf the web anywhere on the planet and not be snooped upon
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller were I a betting man, it'd be some combo of the latter and former. I'm not even sure the NSA would need to ask - don't recall the pipeline layout for south america.
Brasil is specifically connected to the old world to bypass American snooping.
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@MattSpeller said:
My point being, I don't think you can surf the web anywhere on the planet and not be snooped upon
Snooped on yes, of course. But there is a difference between being snooped on at the WAN link or snooped on remotely. And much of the NSA snooping involves access to the companies rather than technology.
