what is the best asterisk based IP PBX in terms of ease and documentation
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thank you all for your suggestion, it looks like freePBX is suitable for me
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As far as gateways the best advice is check reviews on them all. Cheap ones are cheap for a reason. And Grandstream is known for failing and needing to be rebooted a lot, much like home grade routers.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
As far as gateways the best advice is check reviews on them all. Cheap ones are cheap for a reason. And Grandstream is known for failing and needing to be rebooted a lot, much like home grade routers.
That said, they are solid for a test system to learn the ropes.
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what do you think about linksys SPA3102 (the PSTN gateway) in a production environment ??
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@IT-ADMIN said:
what do you think about linksys SPA3102 (the PSTN gateway) in a production environment ??
I have never deployed one, but only because my clients have chosen to completely migrate to SIP. I would deploy one for a single line or two of POTS connectivity.
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yes i want to use it with one or 2 POTS line since here in qatar landlines calls are free
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@IT-ADMIN said:
yes i want to use it with one or 2 POTS line since here in qatar landlines calls are free
No, they are not. The calls as simply not billed by minute. The line still costs money, so that means calls are not free. But I understand what you meant anyway.
Note: all numbers based on US rates. You have to do this for your area.
In the US, I have to make this argument often. A business POTS line here can easily cost $25-$50 per month, generally I see them come in at $35 on average. This is prior to taxes, fees, and long distance.
So if you plan on making 10,000 minutes of local calls in a month, that means the $35 line costs you $0.0035 per minute. Quite cheap (cheaper than SIP), but not free.
Now since there are only 43,200 minutes in a month (assuming 30 days of 24 hours) that means dang near a full 25% of of the month must be on a call to get to 10,000 minutes.
Assuming a business month of 4 weeks of 40 hours tosses the number even more. That is only 9,600 minutes. This means that it is impossible to spend 10,000 minutes on that phone in a month. The rate is up to $0.0036 per minute.
Now you need to figure out how much time is truly spent on that phone. What if it is 50% of the day? At 4,600 minutes per month you are up to a rate of $0.0073 per minute. That is nearly the cost to use SIP in the US.
Now add in a second line. How many minutes does that one get? Well if it is a roll over or hunt group, it will never be as much as the main line. You could easily figure its usage at maybe 50% of the main line for many companies. At 2,300 minutes used in a month, that $35 line means you are paying $0.0152 per minute for those calls.
Aggregate the two together is $70/month and 6,900 minutes. That comes out to an average telecom per minute rate of $0.0101 per minute. This IS the basic SIP termination rate in the US.
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yes you are right the POTS line is not free by itself but the calls are, you pay monthly charge for the line installation, this monthly charge has nothing to do with how much minutes you are calling, it is a fixed monthly charge no matter how much you call (unlimited calls) which is not the case in my home country morocco, they charge you the monthly installation fees + incoming calls are free but outgoing calls are not free (charge per minutes)
each country has it advantage and disadvantage, for example to get a public static ip in qatar is very expensive but in morocco is not and so one so forth... -
@IT-ADMIN said:
yes you are right the POTS line is not free by itself but the calls are, you pay monthly charge for the line installation, this monthly charge
That would be a service fee not an installation fee. They aren't re-installing the lines every month are they?
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@IT-ADMIN said:
yes you are right the POTS line is not free by itself but the calls are
That's like saying that the hamburger costs money but the fries are free because they come with it. That's not quite true. The hamburger and fries have a cost together. Correct that there is no separate cost per call, but Jared is correct, if you are paying to be able to make the calls, the calls aren't free.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
yes you are right the POTS line is not free by itself but the calls are
That's like saying that the hamburger costs money but the fries are free because they come with it. That's not quite true. The hamburger and fries have a cost together. Correct that there is no separate cost per call, but Jared is correct, if you are paying to be able to make the calls, the calls aren't free.
lol, you can say that are not free but unlimited
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@IT-ADMIN said:
lol, you can say that are not free but unlimited
Is it truly unlimited? very few telcoms are truely unlimited all of them say things like if you cause adverse effects or if they determine you are making more calls than they want they can terminate you.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
lol, you can say that are not free but unlimited
Correct, although unlimited fries would be a very bad thing.
Unlimited minutes are a much better way to put it. Although even that is misleading. It is up to 43,800 minutes with every minute of non-use lost, per month. There are truly unlimited trunks that let you have as many concurrent calls as you want (but they all make you pay per minute.)
It IS unlimited within the constraints of use. But calling it that is a sales tactic to make it sound way better than it is.
It's like datacenter services. It is nearly always better to pay per GB of use, but always sounds better to have uncapped bandwidth. But with only the rarest exception, the former gives you better service at a lower price.
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yes calls practically are not unlimited but they use the term unlimited because they are sure that you will never start a call from the beginning of the month and finish it in the end of the month
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@JaredBusch said:
No, they are not. The calls as simply not billed by minute. The line still costs money, so that means calls are not free. But I understand what you meant anyway.
Note: all numbers based on US rates. You have to do this for your area.
In the US, I have to make this argument often. A business POTS line here can easily cost $25-$50 per month, generally I see them come in at $35 on average. This is prior to taxes, fees, and long distance.
So if you plan on making 10,000 minutes of local calls in a month, that means the $35 line costs you $0.0035 per minute. Quite cheap (cheaper than SIP), but not free.
Now since there are only 43,200 minutes in a month (assuming 30 days of 24 hours) that means dang near a full 25% of of the month must be on a call to get to 10,000 minutes.
Assuming a business month of 4 weeks of 40 hours tosses the number even more. That is only 9,600 minutes. This means that it is impossible to spend 10,000 minutes on that phone in a month. The rate is up to $0.0036 per minute.
Now you need to figure out how much time is truly spent on that phone. What if it is 50% of the day? At 4,600 minutes per month you are up to a rate of $0.0073 per minute. That is nearly the cost to use SIP in the US.
Now add in a second line. How many minutes does that one get? Well if it is a roll over or hunt group, it will never be as much as the main line. You could easily figure its usage at maybe 50% of the main line for many companies. At 2,300 minutes used in a month, that $35 line means you are paying $0.0152 per minute for those calls.
Aggregate the two together is $70/month and 6,900 minutes. That comes out to an average telecom per minute rate of $0.0101 per minute. This IS the basic SIP termination rate in the US.
Nice write up!
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@IT-ADMIN said:
yes calls practically are not unlimited but they use the term unlimited because they are sure that you will never start a call from the beginning of the month and finish it in the end of the month
Jared's example is pretty true today in terms of normal usage - but 15+ years ago that wouldn't have been the case. People could and would be dialed into their ISPs for potentially every min that the system was up. If they had an unlimited ISP connection as well, all the more reason to never disconnect.
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@Dashrender said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
yes calls practically are not unlimited but they use the term unlimited because they are sure that you will never start a call from the beginning of the month and finish it in the end of the month
Jared's example is pretty true today in terms of normal usage - but 15+ years ago that wouldn't have been the case. People could and would be dialed into their ISPs for potentially every min that the system was up. If they had an unlimited ISP connection as well, all the more reason to never disconnect.
Oh, from dial up Internet? I forgot about that use case since this one can only be voice. Yes, there was a time when that "unlimited" mattered very different from today or, more importantly, from a case where you are considering voice calls.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
yes calls practically are not unlimited but they use the term unlimited because they are sure that you will never start a call from the beginning of the month and finish it in the end of the month
Well they use the term because it's good marketing. It throws people's brains off in how they consider things.
The very fact that you are considering getting two lines instead of one, though, shows the limits of unlimited already.
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2 POTS line to be able to receive 2 simultaneous calls not to increase the call duration
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
yes calls practically are not unlimited but they use the term unlimited because they are sure that you will never start a call from the beginning of the month and finish it in the end of the month
Well they use the term because it's good marketing. It throws people's brains off in how they consider things.
The very fact that you are considering getting two lines instead of one, though, shows the limits of unlimited already.
I'm not sure I agree with you there.
I believe that most people see unlimited and realize it's not really unlimited - it's unlimited within the bandwidth for the single line, which as demonstrated by Jared is 43,200, and limited to a single call at a time.
SIP is what breaks it for the everyman - the idea that you could have more calls all coming in at once is unexpected when they are accustomed to POTS lines. Of course if they are dealing with PRI, they do anticipate the ability to make/receive up to 23 calls simultaneously.
