Laptop Reccomendations

s.hackleman

@thecreativeone91 said:

@s.hackleman said:

@thecreativeone91 So because something is not upgradeable it is not professional? I use my Macbook as a development system with multiple running VM's. I need the extra hardware and performance that "Guy McDudebro" would not. That is why I carry a Macbook Pro VS a standard Macbook. The entire point of the Mac Platform is to allow you to be more creative because hardware issues are minimized because of standardization and the removal of low end hardware. There is no cheap underperforming barely have enough specs to survive systems that I have to work around. I know that if I write something native, and it preforms on a spec device, it will preform on all devices in service. Lastly, yeah, Final Cut did go to crap, but I wasn't a fan before it did either.

How is a professional laptop, that only have 4GB of ram professional?

And yes, the Mac Pro is not a professional workstation anymore, it's a Mac Mini with better specs. Thunderbolt for everything. They essentially dropped support for films shot on the RED Cameras (and many other cameras) as you can no longer put the rendering engine in your computer.

The one I am using to type this has 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
You are trying to make an edge case a primary case.
I've gave my opinion, and I will not argue further. You are entitled to your opinion as well.

@s.hackleman said:

You are trying to make an edge case a primary case.

How is than an Edge case? The video production world is what allowed Apple to become what it was, RED and Arri are the two most popular cameras, and you use these engines when editing. Apple has basically said, even with the development is Yosemite that they are making it more consumerized. They'd rather make more sales, lower priced sales. , than good higher prices sales.

Minion Queen

I have 16gb ram in one and 8gb in the other.

The Macbook Pro's come is as low as 4GB and max at 16GB, They also only use Intel HD 5000/6000 graphics. Neither of which are professional. There nothing that really makes them Professional over a standard windows laptop, other than the name, and maybe some windows laptops won't have an SSD.

I used to only use Mabook Pros and had Mac Pro's but apple has changed their product and intended user base a lot.

Dashrender

@thecreativeone91 said:

@s.hackleman said:

You are trying to make an edge case a primary case.

How is than an Edge case? The video production world is what allowed Apple to become what it was, RED and Arri are the two most popular cameras, and you use these engines when editing. Apple has basically said, even with the development is Yosemite that they are making it more consumerized. They'd rather make more sales, lower priced sales. , than good higher prices sales.

because there is more money there.

@Dashrender said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

@s.hackleman said:

You are trying to make an edge case a primary case.

How is than an Edge case? The video production world is what allowed Apple to become what it was, RED and Arri are the two most popular cameras, and you use these engines when editing. Apple has basically said, even with the development is Yosemite that they are making it more consumerized. They'd rather make more sales, lower priced sales. , than good higher prices sales.

because there is more money there.

Very much seems so. Apple wants everyone to want one and be what the cool kids have, yet even though they can, they don't want quite everyone to be able to afford it. as it would loose its status.

Dashrender

@thecreativeone91 said:

@Dashrender said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

@s.hackleman said:

You are trying to make an edge case a primary case.

How is than an Edge case? The video production world is what allowed Apple to become what it was, RED and Arri are the two most popular cameras, and you use these engines when editing. Apple has basically said, even with the development is Yosemite that they are making it more consumerized. They'd rather make more sales, lower priced sales. , than good higher prices sales.

because there is more money there.

Very much seems so. Apple wants everyone to want one and be what the cool kids have, yet even though they can, they don't want quite everyone to be able to afford it. as it would loose its status.

Exactly - it will never be attainable by all, or else it's pointless - it's like BMW and Mercedes today. They are probably a bit better in general than say a Ford or Chevy, but the baseline models are really nothing special, but have a special price tag just for the gotta have it folks.

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

Exactly - it will never be attainable by all, or else it's pointless - it's like BMW and Mercedes today. They are probably a bit better in general than say a Ford or Chevy, but the baseline models are really nothing special, but have a special price tag just for the gotta have it folks.

Actually those high price tags are only for the US. In the rest of the world they are pretty affordable. Although entry level Fords are only $7K in Europe too.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Exactly - it will never be attainable by all, or else it's pointless - it's like BMW and Mercedes today. They are probably a bit better in general than say a Ford or Chevy, but the baseline models are really nothing special, but have a special price tag just for the gotta have it folks.

Actually those high price tags are only for the US. In the rest of the world they are pretty affordable. Although entry level Fords are only $7K in Europe too.

Did you say $7K for a Ford (what vehicle) in Europe? How much is something like a Taurus over there?

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Exactly - it will never be attainable by all, or else it's pointless - it's like BMW and Mercedes today. They are probably a bit better in general than say a Ford or Chevy, but the baseline models are really nothing special, but have a special price tag just for the gotta have it folks.

Actually those high price tags are only for the US. In the rest of the world they are pretty affordable. Although entry level Fords are only $7K in Europe too.

Did you say $7K for a Ford (what vehicle) in Europe? How much is something like a Taurus over there?

Don't know. It is $7K for a Fiesta. Not a good car, but far less than you pay for the same thing in the US.

PSX_Defector

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Exactly - it will never be attainable by all, or else it's pointless - it's like BMW and Mercedes today. They are probably a bit better in general than say a Ford or Chevy, but the baseline models are really nothing special, but have a special price tag just for the gotta have it folks.

Actually those high price tags are only for the US. In the rest of the world they are pretty affordable. Although entry level Fords are only $7K in Europe too.

Did you say $7K for a Ford (what vehicle) in Europe? How much is something like a Taurus over there?

Don't know. It is $7K for a Fiesta. Not a good car, but far less than you pay for the same thing in the US.

Where you getting your prices?

http://www.ford.co.uk/ConfigureyourCar/Fiesta/Studio
http://www.nl.ford.be/BuildandPrice/Ford-Fiesta/Ambiente

£10,145 and €13,500 respectively. In USD, that would be $16,000 and $15,000. Brand new in US is MSRP of $13,965

http://www.ford.com/cars/fiesta/?gnav=header-cars

This is mostly due to labor costs, most Fiestas in the UK are made in Britain while US-spec ones are hecho en Mexico.

On the used market? Hell yeah, $7KUSD would be possible. That's one of the top selling cars, hence dropping the price down.

As for MB/BMW prices, also realize that there is equipment and specs that Euro ones get that US ones never do. For example, cloth seats in a E350, or the A-class, or the 1-class with stripped out options. Which makes the cars more approachable for the general population, but for the most part equal for equal is about the same price here or there. You don't get a E63 for a lot less in Germany than in the US.

Got the laptop in from amazon today. Dang is 17.3" Huge!!! I've had a lot of 15.4", 16" and 17" laptops but the 17.3" just makes it seem like siting at a desktop.

dafyre

Yepp! This makes them excellent for gamin--erm... Video editing. 8-)

Ended up returning this one. It's nice and all. But, it's like the reviews say if you barely touch the dvd drive it will eject. I though this was no big deal at first but got to be very annoying. When I spend $2,000 on a laptop it better dang well work correctly down to how the rubber feet are on.

creayt

specious said:

The entire point of the Mac Platform is to allow you to be more creative because hardware issues are minimized because of standardization and the removal of low end hardware. There is no cheap underperforming barely have enough specs to survive systems that I have to work around.

This is specious at best. Though the MacBook Pro has legit hardware it's the software, OS X, that glitters almost every single action you can take on the laptop w/ latency and sporadic slow. The HiDPI approach is nice, and makes half of everything very beautiful, but OS X and or the graphics drivers just cannot keep up with an expert computer user, unless they tend to interact w/ a computer slowly enough that the rampant latency doesn't frustrate them. I personally just cannot write code on a mac, I find myself almost screaming as I watch the OS flounder and try to keep up with my keystrokes and interactions, and have almost thrown a MacBook Pro out a window before because of it, not exaggerating.

Macs have crashed on me and had "hardware related issues" so, so, so much more than Windows machines that it makes me snicker when people make claims like this.

creayt

@thecreativeone91 said:

Ended up returning this one. It's nice and all. But, it's like the reviews say if you barely touch the dvd drive it will eject. I though this was no big deal at first but got to be very annoying. When I spend $2,000 on a laptop it better dang well work correctly down to how the rubber feet are on.

I just ordered an MSI Stealth Pro w/

A 5th gen quad w/ turbo to 3.5Ghz ( i7-5700HQ )
16GB DDR3L 1600MHz
GTX 970M 3GB
17.3" Full HD eDP Non Reflection
128GB M.SATA + 1TB (7200RPM)
Killer E2200 Game Networking, Killer N1525 Combo ( 2*2 ac )
Triple monitor support ( 2 mini DP, 1 HDMI )
0.85 inches thick
5-6 hour battery life on the integrated graphics

for $1529. Seems like a pretty legit option for your needs too.

Reid Cooper

That is one nice laptop! Post a review once you've had some time with it.

creayt

@Reid-Cooper said:

That is one nice laptop! Post a review once you've had some time with it.

Definitely will. I'm super excited about it. The biggest drawback it has is that 16GB is its max, and I'm used to 32 on my current workstation.

creayt

@creayt
Oh, and also that it may be very ugly. Hoping to cover up the branding on the lid w/ something from tab tag.

Probably this: http://www.tabtag.com/products/cat

JK.

s.hackleman

@creayt I keep hearing this claim from several people, but I just haven't seen it. Now, keep in mind I have never used Mac before my current system. However, I run Visual Studio on a Win7 VM, Xamarin in my Mac, have a Copy of Ubuntu 14 up at all times, and I have yet to see a single slow down. I'm not trying to call you out, but I am curious how long ago this was, and why I don't see it.