Dedicated Servers

@thecreativeone91 I know someone with a xeon in their gaming rig in an off the shelf mini-ITX motherboard.

Those specs don't inspire confidence in it being anymore than a desktop in a tin shed

They might have it in it, but features of the CPU are disabled without proper support from the motherboard. My desktop has 2x Intel Xeons but It's a workstation class, that has a better motherboard than most servers. Advertising a CPU is available but not stated features are disabled on it would be sketchy to me.

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Seems cheap. But if they don't guarantee the hardware, chances are these are low end desktops.

What? Dell PowerEdge R220 with Intel C222 Chipset is a low end desktop?

Low end server, nothing to brag about. Not horrible though. They are used all the time for extra Domain controllers and such.

Maybe I should buy a dedicated server and start a cloudatcost clone, haha!

@Aaron-Studer said:

Maybe I should buy a dedicated server and start a cloudatcost clone, haha!

I dobut you can run ESXi on them. It says if you manage there's a list of OSes to choose from. If they Manage it's CentOS or CloudLinux only. With windows you might be able to do hyper-v if VT-x is enabled. It doesn't sound like you get access to the BIOS.

@thecreativeone91 said:

I dobut you can run ESXi on them. It says if you manage there's a list of OSes to choose from. If they Manage it's CentOS or CloudLinux only. With windows you might be able to do hyper-v if VT-x is enabled. It doesn't sound like you get access to the BIOS.

I was going to use XenServer or KVM

scottalanmiller

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Seems cheap. But if they don't guarantee the hardware, chances are these are low end desktops.

What? Dell PowerEdge R220 with Intel C222 Chipset is a low end desktop?

Is that what they are using? How did you find out?

@scottalanmiller said:

Is that what they are using? How did you find out?

Scroll down more, toward the bottom.

scottalanmiller

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Is that what they are using? How did you find out?

Scroll down more, toward the bottom.

I did and I did a text search, the words "Dell", "PowerEdge" and "r220" don't appear on it.

@scottalanmiller said:

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Is that what they are using? How did you find out?

Scroll down more, toward the bottom.

I did and I did a text search, the words "Dell", "PowerEdge" and "r220" don't appear on it.

You don't look hard enough.

scottalanmiller

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Seems cheap. But if they don't guarantee the hardware, chances are these are low end desktops.

What? Dell PowerEdge R220 with Intel C222 Chipset is a low end desktop?

I can buy those refurbed (which is what you get in a case like this, or just used, actually) for $499. So while the price here is pretty good, it's not good enough for me to want to use. I'd rather own the server and do colocation than to have to pay monthly for a server of this nature.

scottalanmiller

@thecreativeone91 said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Is that what they are using? How did you find out?

Scroll down more, toward the bottom.

I did and I did a text search, the words "Dell", "PowerEdge" and "r220" don't appear on it.

You don't look hard enough.

That doesn't appear on the EU page that they show to us here. And the prices are in Euros too.

@scottalanmiller said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Is that what they are using? How did you find out?

Scroll down more, toward the bottom.

I did and I did a text search, the words "Dell", "PowerEdge" and "r220" don't appear on it.

You don't look hard enough.

That doesn't appear on the EU page that they show to us here. And the prices are in Euros too.

Odd that they auto change sites based on location. What if I was over there buying something on behalf of a US company.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Seems cheap. But if they don't guarantee the hardware, chances are these are low end desktops.

What? Dell PowerEdge R220 with Intel C222 Chipset is a low end desktop?

I can buy those refurbed (which is what you get in a case like this, or just used, actually) for $499. So while the price here is pretty good, it's not good enough for me to want to use. I'd rather own the server and do colocation than to have to pay monthly for a server of this nature.

Per our previous discussion, The colocation alone would cost you more than they are charging for a dedicated server. How is the financially wise?

scottalanmiller

@thecreativeone91 said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Is that what they are using? How did you find out?

Scroll down more, toward the bottom.

I did and I did a text search, the words "Dell", "PowerEdge" and "r220" don't appear on it.

You don't look hard enough.

That doesn't appear on the EU page that they show to us here. And the prices are in Euros too.

Odd that they auto change sites based on location. What if I was over there buying something on behalf of a US company.

You'd think twice before doing business with someone so consumer focused then

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Seems cheap. But if they don't guarantee the hardware, chances are these are low end desktops.

What? Dell PowerEdge R220 with Intel C222 Chipset is a low end desktop?

I can buy those refurbed (which is what you get in a case like this, or just used, actually) for $499. So while the price here is pretty good, it's not good enough for me to want to use. I'd rather own the server and do colocation than to have to pay monthly for a server of this nature.

Per our previous discussion, The colocation alone would cost you more than they are charging for a dedicated server. How is the financially wise?

Apples and Oranges again. This is not an enterprise, top tier datacenter service. This is a low cost, dirt cheap, hosting service. If I was going to use hardware of this low quality (this is entry level gear and not current) and low end hosting, I would save money. I can't get the best datacenter in the country with 24x7 concierge support and 100% uptime SLA for cheaper, no, but that's not what this is.

scottalanmiller

Also, we've gotten enterprise 1U colocation for $50 before. Just have to wait for a sale. Prices we were talking in the other thread were full price "rack" rates. Not existing customer or sale rates. And they are based on the top datacenter around, one used by the global investment banks with ties directly to the trading floor and stock exchange. You can definitely get cheaper and still be really good.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

Also, we've gotten enterprise 1U colocation for $50 before. Just have to wait for a sale. Prices we were talking in the other thread were full price "rack" rates. Not existing customer or sale rates. And they are based on the top datacenter around, one used by the global investment banks with ties directly to the trading floor and stock exchange. You can definitely get cheaper and still be really good.

Why were we talking about such high level DCs? We are talking about SMBs and my situation in particular (which is definitely on the S side of SMB). So there are other DCs you'd be happy with that are less expensive than $280/month for 2 U? (the price you quoted might have been less, but I'm not going to look it up )

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

Why were we talking about such high level DCs? We are talking about SMBs and my situation in particular (which is definitely on the S side of SMB). So there are other DCs you'd be happy with that are less expensive than $280/month for 2 U? (the price you quoted might have been less, but I'm not going to look it up )

Because when we are talking $70 and SMBs worried about uptime, this is how you get it. And it is what we use so we know the pricing. That wasn't a survey of all hosting options, that was specifically how cost effective the best was - the one that we've been with for almost a decade that was cheap enough that it paid for itself out of our power reduction alone. At $70 you are getting into hotel facilities and uptime better than the gear you can put into it. It's the point where all of those "hosting concerns" vanish because you can't replicate anything that they do internally. It's the kind of facility where they have underground diesel tanks and continuous supply contracts.

$280 wasn't for 2U. That was for 10U, and it was only $275. 1U was $70. $2U was $100. 2x 2U for onsite failover of your own equipment was $200.

scottalanmiller

There are definitely cheaper, good DCs out there. I just have not worked with many to know which ones to recommend. There are tons of horrible ones too, though, so you have to be careful, as with any vendor. We've used low end ones that were definitely cheap and allows us to have our own access to the facility but their uptime didn't come close to the uptime of my house. Our current datacenter is still riding on a multi-decade 100% uptime run. They've yet to have downtime. They had a scare a year ago when there was insane flooding and the whole region they were in was under record flood levels, but they never actually had a blip.

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Aaron-Studer said:

@scottalanmiller said:

Seems cheap. But if they don't guarantee the hardware, chances are these are low end desktops.

What? Dell PowerEdge R220 with Intel C222 Chipset is a low end desktop?

I can buy those refurbed (which is what you get in a case like this, or just used, actually) for $499. So while the price here is pretty good, it's not good enough for me to want to use. I'd rather own the server and do colocation than to have to pay monthly for a server of this nature.

Per our previous discussion, The colocation alone would cost you more than they are charging for a dedicated server. How is the financially wise?

You still own the server for a colo. And you get more enterprise support if needed usually. Upfront costs aren't the only thing that plays into decisions.