The Hospitality Management Anecdote
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
The thing that people always seem to forget. Colleges are a business they are not there to be helpful to you. They are filling their pockets with the crazy fees that people pay to take classes. They are car salesmen.
A major university in the Washington, D.C. area, when questioned as to why they were not providing a value to their students, stated that students are not the customers of a university but are simply their to provide funding for the professors to do other things. Educating the students was not their job nor did they care. The students were simply a revenue source for research.
Read: they felt, quite rightly, that any student at their university was a sucker and deserved to be taken advantage of.
*there
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@handsofqwerty said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
I worked in a high school for a bit... In passing I mentioned the information super highway to a group of 8th graders during a lab period... they all looked at me with dumbfound expressions... I had to clarify that I was talking about the internet.
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@coliver said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
I worked in a high school for a bit... In passing I mentioned the information super highway to a group of 8th graders during a lab period... they all looked at me with dumbfound expressions... I had to clarify that I was talking about the internet.
Am I the only one my age who knows that term?!
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@handsofqwerty said:
@coliver said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
I worked in a high school for a bit... In passing I mentioned the information super highway to a group of 8th graders during a lab period... they all looked at me with dumbfound expressions... I had to clarify that I was talking about the internet.
Am I the only one my age who knows that term?!
I'm not much older then you... so I doubt it... but a few years younger then probably.
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@handsofqwerty said:
@coliver said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
I worked in a high school for a bit... In passing I mentioned the information super highway to a group of 8th graders during a lab period... they all looked at me with dumbfound expressions... I had to clarify that I was talking about the internet.
Am I the only one my age who knows that term?!
Likely.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@coliver said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
I worked in a high school for a bit... In passing I mentioned the information super highway to a group of 8th graders during a lab period... they all looked at me with dumbfound expressions... I had to clarify that I was talking about the internet.
Am I the only one my age who knows that term?!
Likely.
I remember hearing that term all the time in the 90s. Very common expression.
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I have not heard the term in a very, very long time. I had totally forgotten about that.
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Access the "Information Superhighway" on your Apple II GS, apparently.
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I love those old computer television shows, it's less amazing how old the computers are and more amazing how weird the people are who are talking about computers.
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Nice. It's like being back in class in 1992.
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@StrongBad said:
Nice. It's like being back in class in 1992.
Year one... Hmmm I may have played an educational game a couple of time that year on 286 possibly 386 machines... I'm not really sure. I don't remember much of my computer education until about year 4 or 5.
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We had Apple II-C's in 1st grade; one in each classroom. Math Blaster and Oregon Trail. Oh, yeah. I remember that we even sat through a demo in Art class at one point, where we got to see a drawing tablet used to scrawl free-hand on the computer. Basically, it was a track pad that used a stylus. Remember doing that on a PDA, where you could enter "handwritten" notes? lol
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Oregon Trail is now available to play, free online from the Internet Archive.
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You have died of dysentery.
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Interesting thread. I think universities are very different in Europe. They're not businesses to start with, although they're increasingly being run that way in the UK. Despite us moving ever closer to the American system, I think the concept of a university education is still that it develops character and broadens the mind. It is not job training. My degree was nothing to do with IT, but I still feel it helped me in my career. It is partly why, in the UK, we feel that a degree in History from Oxford is perfect training for being the Chancellor of the Exchequer (George Osborne).
I had no idea what career I wanted when I went to university. But I was definitely a different person when I graduated thanks to making new friends (I met my wife there), moving away from home, and just studying full-time and having the chance to read great literature (in my case the likes of Karl Marx and Adam Smith) and sit around and think and discuss things with like minded people.
That might not be the case with a degree in Hospitality Management, to be fair. But there is also the contacts you make, which probably is useful for hospitality. I'm crap at keeping in touch, mind, and have only stayed in contact with a tiny handful of people. It'll be different now with LinkedIn and Facebook. Certainly in IT, I find that getting a job is more a case of who you know not what you know, and the bigger your circle of IT contacts the more opportunities you will get.
But then university was free when I went. I might think differently now. But I'm certainly not writing them off for any career.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I think the concept of a university education is still that it develops character and broadens the mind. It is not job training. My degree was nothing to do with IT, but I still feel it helped me in my career.
And that's why I tell people who are getting a degree and want to go into IT that IT is the wrong degree field and shows a misunderstanding of the purpose of university. In the US people "always" go to college specifically to get prepared for a job but that's not how university is designed. I tell IT people that they should get business, English, history or other liberal degrees that will broaden them and not treat it as a technical training school because that is not what universities are designed or meant for. If I have to look at university training for someone, I want to see a BA in an liberal study.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Certainly in IT, I find that getting a job is more a case of who you know not what you know, and the bigger your circle of IT contacts the more opportunities you will get.
The problem there is that professors and IT students have no contacts. I hear about the "who you know" effect happening in certain "deep pockets" schools where you find investors to help you later in life. But for IT, I've never heard of anyone making contacts that would help them later. Same for hospitality. I had way more contacts in both fields during the time my counterparts were in university than they had while there.
It's never that university does "nothing", the question is, what would you have done otherwise. That's what people often miss. I had, as an example, experience with at least four hotels all in management, with lots of managers, assistant managers, regional managers, a few different companies and a couple of cities during that time and had I been interesting in hospitality could have had much, much more. The university students got no such contacts.
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Just found this very interesting video on Facebook. Worthy watch for just over 4 minutes... (grabbed the YouTube link for convenience)
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