Non-IT News Thread
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I've been more philosophically challenged and changed during my 3 years on here than my entire time at my last job (10 years).
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
I've been more philosophically challenged and changed during my 3 years on here than my entire time at my last job (10 years).
That’s what we strive for.
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68 dead in a riot in Venezuela.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
how can those whose sole job is to uphold the law fundamentally not believe or obey it?
That is where you are wrong, cops don't uphold the law. Their job is to arrest people that they believe has broken some law. It is the courts job to uphold the law.
Right, so if another cop breaks the law, the other cops should arrest them.
This goes back to the point though, cops are held just above most law. For example, if they shoot and kill someone, rather than that individual cop being arrested immediately, there is an investigation to see if excessive force was used.
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@dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
how can those whose sole job is to uphold the law fundamentally not believe or obey it?
That is where you are wrong, cops don't uphold the law. Their job is to arrest people that they believe has broken some law. It is the courts job to uphold the law.
Right, so if another cop breaks the law, the other cops should arrest them.
This goes back to the point though, cops are held just above most law. For example, if they shoot and kill someone, rather than that individual cop being arrested immediately, there is an investigation to see if excessive force was used.
Around here, the officer(s) involved will be put on desk duty or suspended with pay during the investigation.
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@dafyre same thing here.
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@dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
how can those whose sole job is to uphold the law fundamentally not believe or obey it?
That is where you are wrong, cops don't uphold the law. Their job is to arrest people that they believe has broken some law. It is the courts job to uphold the law.
Right, so if another cop breaks the law, the other cops should arrest them.
This goes back to the point though, cops are held just above most law. For example, if they shoot and kill someone, rather than that individual cop being arrested immediately, there is an investigation to see if excessive force was used.
Good example. Even when it is taken seriously, it’s not taken very seriously. Not with “normal” seriousness.
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@scottalanmiller Every time a cop shoots someone in America, that cop is denying due process. That should immediately prohibit that individual from being LEO for the rest of their life, even if the person shot at them first.
If a cop shoots someone without being shot at first, that cop should be charged with murder or manslaughter. Due Process before execution by the state is supposed to be guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Violating due process should have severe penalties.
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Taiwanese kids find a camera covered in barnacles, lost at sea for two years, open up the case and find the camera is working flawlessly, and still fully charged! The camera and pictures have been returned to their owner now.
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@mlnews The cop was lying, of course.
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Something VERY interesting about autonomous vehicles is that now instead of powerless individual drivers facing off against cops, giant companies with serious lawyers and publicity capabilities will be doing the same thing. Now there is a chance to demonstrate if tickets are given out correct, consistently, and accurately with single large entities able to collect uniform data about the incidents, the tickets, the jurisdictions, and the cops like never before.
Not only will this make individual cops and villages accountable and transparent, it will also create a framework for changing traffic patterns to bypass problematic jurisdictions automatically - using economic power to punish areas trying to use ticketing to extort funds.
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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews The cop was lying, of course.
Seems likely, as GM has video footage that suggests that to be true.
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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
...even if the person shot at them first.
Absolutely not. If you shoot at a police officer first, any officer present should return fire if he has a clear shot.
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
...even if the person shot at them first.
Absolutely not. If you shoot at a police officer, any officer present should return fire if he has a clear shot.
Even if you don't shoot first. Or have a gun. Or pants.
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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
If a cop shoots someone without being shot at first, that cop should be charged with murder or manslaughter. Due Process before execution by the state is supposed to be guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Violating due process should have severe penalties.
In most cases around her, there is some type of investigation. I do think that if they are found guilty, then you are right -- they should be banned from being an LEO for life.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
...even if the person shot at them first.
Absolutely not. If you shoot at a police officer, any officer present should return fire if he has a clear shot.
Even if you don't shoot first. Or have a gun. Or pants.
Statement corrected.
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
If a cop shoots someone without being shot at first, that cop should be charged with murder or manslaughter. Due Process before execution by the state is supposed to be guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Violating due process should have severe penalties.
In most cases around her, there is some type of investigation. I do think that if they are found guilty, then you are right -- they should be banned from being an LEO for life.
Most, but most isn't a very good bar. It should be all. Cops, like anyone working for the people with elevated privileges in exchange for the public trust, should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
If a cop shoots someone without being shot at first, that cop should be charged with murder or manslaughter. Due Process before execution by the state is supposed to be guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Violating due process should have severe penalties.
In most cases around her, there is some type of investigation. I do think that if they are found guilty, then you are right -- they should be banned from being an LEO for life.
Most, but most isn't a very good bar. It should be all. Cops, like anyone working for the people with elevated privileges in exchange for the public trust, should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest.
Agreed!
