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scottalanmiller

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@dbeato said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@dbeato said in Non-IT News Thread:

No one was born to be what they currently are now, they were born to live. WHat is an ethical job for you? Classifying all police work, army jobs and other institution jobs as unethical ...

Here is the thing....

Police, military, drug cartels are about as identical as you can get. All are totally voluntary (well, not all military), all do "good things for some people", all do "bad things to some people". They are as related as you can get. They all kill people, they all produce bad results, they all do good things for many people. All have people who support them. All have people who hate them. All are associations of people who have agreed to live with the negative aspects of the group because they are either okay with them or they feel that the positive outcomes of the group offset them. They all violate ethics to a point where large percentages of the population feel that their activities demand extreme punishments. All are sometimes seen as important parts of their culture or locality, all are sometimes seen as enemies of the state and population.

So after all the semantics, which one you want to run your town? or what would you like to run your town?

I want the populace to be in power, the citizens, not a group that has seized power. None of these.. cops, military, or cartels, are groups that should be running anything, ever. None of them are intended to run things. All are organizations with a job to do that doesn't involve running towns. All three are about equally bad when it comes to seizing power and controlling people.

Which then turns citizens into what you said about cops and drug cartel then...? you will be surprised by the amount of things citizens hide around you...

Ah yes, but that's different. They are not a linked organization and we are willing to hold them accountable as individuals. That's all we want from the police, for example.

scottalanmiller

Well no, we also want bad cops to stop being bad, obviously. What I meant in "what we want from the cops" is for the associations that cops are under whether state or local, to act ethically and hold cops accountable for crimes and not use their associations to cover up, commit, or encourage criminal behaviour.

DustinB3403

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

Well no, we also want bad cops to stop being bad, obviously. What I meant in "what we want from the cops" is for the associations that cops are under whether state or local, to act ethically and hold cops accountable for crimes and not use their associations to cover up, commit, or encourage criminal behaviour.

Is it the cops job to arrest a co-worker who has done something when there is a process in place already to determine if the actions of the cop were illegal or not?

Cops are granted a bit more immunity to the law because, they often have to break the law (speeding as an example) in order to prevent a worse crime (murder).

coliver

@dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

Well no, we also want bad cops to stop being bad, obviously. What I meant in "what we want from the cops" is for the associations that cops are under whether state or local, to act ethically and hold cops accountable for crimes and not use their associations to cover up, commit, or encourage criminal behaviour.

Is it the cops job to arrest a co-worker who has done something when there is a process in place already to determine if the actions of the cop were illegal or not?

Cops are granted a bit more immunity to the law because, they often have to break the law (speeding as an example) in order to prevent a worse crime (murder).

How very consequentist of you.

DustinB3403

@coliver I'm not sure if you're attacking me or praising me. . . .

scottalanmiller

@dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

Well no, we also want bad cops to stop being bad, obviously. What I meant in "what we want from the cops" is for the associations that cops are under whether state or local, to act ethically and hold cops accountable for crimes and not use their associations to cover up, commit, or encourage criminal behaviour.

Is it the cops job to arrest a co-worker who has done something when there is a process in place already to determine if the actions of the cop were illegal or not?

If it isn't, what is the job of a cop?

scottalanmiller

@dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver I'm not sure if you're attacking me or praising me. . . .

It's a fine line.

scottalanmiller

@dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

Cops are granted a bit more immunity to the law because, they often have to break the law (speeding as an example) in order to prevent a worse crime (murder).

It's not breaking the law, though. Cops are allowed to speed when it is needed. That's part of the law, not breaking it. Having specific laws to them is needed, being allowed to break the laws is not.

A cop that breaks the law is a bit of an antithesis - how can those whose sole job is to uphold the law fundamentally not believe or obey it? Why even have law if the process of law is not covered by the law?

DustinB3403

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

how can those whose sole job is to uphold the law fundamentally not believe or obey it?

That is where you are wrong, cops don't uphold the law. Their job is to arrest people that they believe has broken some law. It is the courts job to uphold the law.

scottalanmiller

@dustinb3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

how can those whose sole job is to uphold the law fundamentally not believe or obey it?

That is where you are wrong, cops don't uphold the law. Their job is to arrest people that they believe has broken some law. It is the courts job to uphold the law.

Right, so if another cop breaks the law, the other cops should arrest them.