Non-IT News Thread
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@Dashrender said:
I'm not talking about the rest of the world.. I'm talking about our own government.. why are they building them? If not because they think they might need to either round up a bunch of citizen from other countries, ship them over here and put them in camps, or more likely, grab their own citizens and stick them in there for one reason or another.
What I was referring to was that we've had them for a long time (concentration camps.) Here in the US, on US soil. Famously we had a lot during WW2. But they were not new then. You might know of George Takei a famous survivor of the US concentration camps.
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yes I am aware, and while it was completely wrong they were fearful... and now we have these camps today when the war is probably even farther from our own soil than it was in WW II, so I'm trying to figure out what the money is being spent on this? Why is the military training the policy on military tactics in city fighting? Why are drones flying over US cities? Why is the NSA spying on US citizens?
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Same reason they did before, I would assume, to lock up Americans. That's how we used them in the past.
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Have you seen one of these? I've not heard about this and am not finding any real news outlet talking about them.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Have you seen one of these? I've not heard about this and am not finding any real news outlet talking about them.
There is no evidence... it was a rumor turned conspiracy theory dreamed up by the same open-carry extremist groups that you have been discussing here. I hear about it at least once a week (rural area) and have to debunk it every time.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a12805/4312850/
The next thing I generally have to debunk is the silly Jade Helm 15 theory... snopes does an excellent job. http://now.snopes.com/2015/03/23/usasoc-explains-jade-helm-exercise/
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@coliver said:
There is no evidence... it was a rumor turned conspiracy theory dreamed up by the same open-carry extremist groups that you have been discussing here. I hear about it at least once a week (rural area) and have to debunk it every time.
That's what it sounded like. Not a single news outlet has it and I read the news every day from a lot of sources and I've never heard of anything like that. And you can't build those kinds of things without it being pretty obvious because, you know, they are big.
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@Dashrender said:
Why are drones flying over US cities?
Because they are $99 and they give them away as prizes at every conference. Everyone owns a drone. And most people fly them. What are you implying with this question?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
There is no evidence... it was a rumor turned conspiracy theory dreamed up by the same open-carry extremist groups that you have been discussing here. I hear about it at least once a week (rural area) and have to debunk it every time.
That's what it sounded like. Not a single news outlet has it and I read the news every day from a lot of sources and I've never heard of anything like that. And you can't build those kinds of things without it being pretty obvious because, you know, they are big.
Not to mention that it doesn't even make sense. If we were to go into martial law (scary music) the concentration camps would be our supremely well built and easily defended/guarded football stadiums that every major city has at least one of.
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Well no, putting them in the heart of cities and being so small would not work well. Real concentration camps are far more effective and much larger than stadiums. And shutting down stadiums would cause more riots in the US than putting people into concentration camps.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
Open carry is a means of silently threatening everyone around you. No matter the legality of it, if you are carrying a lethal weapon around me for no reason, you are choosing to threaten me. It's an aggressive act no matter why people say or think they are doing it. It's a means of sending a message to others.Open (or concealed) carry is a means of me defending myself from the thug around the corner (and no, I don't see a thug around every corner)... or defending you from the thug around the corner if he catches you off-guard.
Not only that, I am guaranteed a right by the Constitution to be armed, period. (I won't go into the questionable constitutionality of states banning guns, or requiring this or that before you are issued carry permit). Was the guy parading around with a rifle on his back at the Atlanta airpot an idiot? Sure. Was he legal, if it is the incident I am thinking of, then yes.
Now, I totally, 100% agree with you that people shouldn't do it for political reasons. But there have been reports in the news of people being shot by thieves and gansters, as well as the thieves and gansters themselves being shot for people defending themselves.
I question whether these people walking around waving rifles and pistols in airports and children's ball games ever had anybody teach them gun safety. (Note: i said waving them around, not having them strapped to their back or properly holstered). If they did, I don't think it took. If I see a gun in somebody's hands, I expect them to be getting ready to use it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
The same could be said of someone with huge muscles....
Except they never made the clear choice to bring those with them. It's who they are. Owning a gun and choosing to bring it with you is completely different. But if you compared it to a sword, then yes.
But they had to take time to work out and use and build those muscles so the muscles just simply become a part of them. I believe that any external piece of machinery can become like that as well. When is the last time you left your house without your cell phone (Sorry, @scottalanmiller , yours went for a swim, that one doesn't count, lol) ?
I know several people who have carry permits whose guns are just as much a part of them as their cell phone. However, they have been properly trained and know how to use the gun (safely), and don't run around waving it at everybody or shooting the frozen turkey's in Walmart.
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@dafyre said:
I know several people who have carry permits whose guns are just as much a part of them as their cell phone. However, they have been properly trained and know how to use the gun (safely), and don't run around waving it at everybody or shooting the frozen turkey's in Walmart.
No, but they could. And there is no reason for them to be doing that. When someone takes their phone with them that is not because they feel it is a new limb but because they actively use it. You don't "take your phone" to Walmart, you "use your phone" at Walmart. You check your shopping list, you get directions, you get a call or an email, you see the time.
I think that we have to make comparisons like this, that obviously are so out of context and unreasonable, shows how crazy it is to carry a gun while shopping!! If people feel that carrying a lethal weapon is "a part of them", these are exactly the people I'm concerned with allowing out in public. Why would a gun ever become like that to someone? It's nothing like a phone or a body part.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Why are drones flying over US cities?
Because they are $99 and they give them away as prizes at every conference. Everyone owns a drone. And most people fly them. What are you implying with this question?
Wrong kind of drones.. I'm talking military drones being commissioned by the local police.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@JaredBusch said:
Like this dumbass with his finger over the trigger
eh? He's actually doing the exact correct thing.... the finger is OUT of the trigger well when he's not firing.
He has a gun in public putting people at risk. Nothing here is correct.
Is the gun loaded? Gun safety says we assume it is.
Is the safety on? Gun safety says we assume it is.
Is he pointing it at anybody? No. My brain tells me to keep an eye on him and stay close, just in case he does point it at anybody.
He's posing for a picture... There's nothing wrong with that. If he is posing for a picture with a loaded gun, then he's an idiot.
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@dafyre said:
If he is posing for a picture with a loaded gun, then he's an idiot.
This is where you lose me - what? so you should only pose for a picture while holding a non loaded weapon? uhhhhh I don't get it.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
Sure, but he's also posing for a picture. That said, I'll agree these people are a bit crazy.. but sadly we need these crazies to help ensure the other side doesn't just take everything from the rest of us.
I disagree. What we actually need is neither of the extremists from either "side" of US politics. Or from any other group for that matter.
I will agree with both of you. We don't need extremists from either side of US Politics... but sadly, there only seems to be one side these days: The government trying to slowly ebb away people's rights (that is another topic).
I think we need the people who aren't afraid to carry their weapons (properly) to protect those of us who may or may not have one from other people that mean to do us harm.
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@Dashrender said:
Wrong kind of drones.. I'm talking military drones being commissioned by the local police.
I've not seen or heard of any of this. Do you have references? And local police are not the federal government, so what they do would be completely disconnected from the other things you are talking about.
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@dafyre said:
I think we need the people who aren't afraid to carry their weapons (properly) to protect those of us who may or may not have one from other people that mean to do us harm.
And I think those people are the ones we should be worried about. It's not their job to carry a weapon to protect me, I didn't ask them to and they should not be vigilantes. I do not accept that anyone "should" pick up a weapon and go out in public with the premeditated intent of using said weapon for any purpose, good or evil. Period. End of story.
That's literally vigilantism. And it is a very bad thing. We don't need protection by these people, and they make it impossible for people to know who is and who isn't intended to do them harm. They do more harm than good. They don't carry weapons to protect us no matter what they say, they do it for their own reasons (fear, pride, hate... whatever.)
I can't accept any argument that suggests they are doing it for the good of others. That just makes no sense.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
but sadly we need these crazies to help ensure the other side doesn't just take everything from the rest of us.
Freedom will never result from living in fear.
Fear profits man nothing. I'm not afraid having backup that is named Smith & Wesson or Glock helps me stay that way.
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@dafyre said:
I will agree with both of you. We don't need extremists from either side of US Politics... but sadly, there only seems to be one side these days: The government trying to slowly ebb away people's rights (that is another topic).
I don't agree at all. I'd say it's far the other way, I see very little loss of rights and have far more concern from the militant extremists.
