Non-IT News Thread
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@MattSpeller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
It definitely seems like reports from a little while ago that things calming down turn out to be probably very wrong and that this may be the start of a minor civil war, depending on how much support Erdagon can muster, and/or if he can split up the military.
It seems to be the Military vs Police somehow - very confusing!
Well the police are sort of Erdagon's own personal "army" because it's commanded by people loyal to him and his autocratic policies, that's probably why.
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@MattSpeller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
It definitely seems like reports from a little while ago that things calming down turn out to be probably very wrong and that this may be the start of a minor civil war, depending on how much support Erdagon can muster, and/or if he can split up the military.
It seems to be the Military vs Police somehow - very confusing!
It's just wild guessing right now. Problem is, Erdogan placed lots of people into key positions at the police.T he german reporter just said that he heard that the whole military is supporting the coup - if so, the police wouldn't have any chance.
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@thwr said in Non-IT News Thread:
@MattSpeller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
It definitely seems like reports from a little while ago that things calming down turn out to be probably very wrong and that this may be the start of a minor civil war, depending on how much support Erdagon can muster, and/or if he can split up the military.
It seems to be the Military vs Police somehow - very confusing!
It's just wild guessing right now. Problem is, Erdogan placed lots of people into key positions at the police.T he german reporter just said that he heard that the whole military is supporting the coup - if so, the police wouldn't have any chance.
Certainly true, if all branches of the armed forces are behind it, it's over, as far as general force goes, though the people can be unpredictable.
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Brother says things are calm, going to take a nap, pretty late, been up a long time. Anything crazy happens I'll be sure to update, assuming I'm not completely unconscious.
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@thwr said in Non-IT News Thread:
@MattSpeller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
It definitely seems like reports from a little while ago that things calming down turn out to be probably very wrong and that this may be the start of a minor civil war, depending on how much support Erdagon can muster, and/or if he can split up the military.
It seems to be the Military vs Police somehow - very confusing!
It's just wild guessing right now. Problem is, Erdogan placed lots of people into key positions at the police.T he german reporter just said that he heard that the whole military is supporting the coup - if so, the police wouldn't have any chance.
Certainly true, if all branches of the armed forces are behind it, it's over.
Tanks and fighter jets at least. This is not just one or two rogue commanders I guess.
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Looks like the coup failed. Some sad numbers: ~90 dead, ~1100 people injured, ~750 soldiers arrested.
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@thwr said in Non-IT News Thread:
Looks like the coup failed. Some sad numbers: ~90 dead, ~1100 people injured, ~750 soldiers arrested.
Something I noticed about the American news was they kept saying "democratically elected", sometimes multiple times in the same sentence, over and over, ad nauseum. This, along with their absolute lies that Turkey is instrumental in fighting ISIS, was particularly disgusting. The few world leaders who kept saying "democratic order needs to be restored," I agree, so we have to get rid of Erdogan to do that.
What's even more insane is afterwards on CNN Turk, he straight up said that he will use this as an opportunity to cleanse the military. It's like some sort of goofy 1940s-esque dictatorship.
How the US manages to constantly, unquestionably kiss their ass every single day is beyond me. It's not just lying to the world that Turkey is democratic, it's not just having the AKP party leader on TV pretending as though she's neutral so she can blame Kurds for all Turkey's problems, it's not just because US soldiers wearing YPG insignia caused them to have a tantrum and then the US suddenly does a 180 on their own policy to publicly kiss Erdogan's ass, and it's not because they have government sanctioned denial of the Armenian genocide which the US backs them up in denying, ... the truly disgusting part is that they spend more time and effort to bomb Kurds outside their border who are fighting ISIS and being supported by the US, than actually fighting ISIS and the US says nothing. It just completely blows my mind.
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~3000 arrested now.
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
Updates will have a to stop for a moment, my brother has to use the bathroom lol
Ha ha
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I had to watch all evening via BBC and Al Jazeera but they were not updated much or well.
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So it appears the Turkish military has lost this attempted overthrow.
Anyone else have more info?
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
So it appears the Turkish military has lost this attempted overthrow.
Anyone else have more info?
At least 260 dead, 2745 district attorneys and judges removed and/or arrested, 2839 soldiers arrested, tens of thousands people of Turkish origin here in Germany protested against the coup and PRO Erdogan.
Deniz Yücel, a "Die Welt" correspondent (large German newspaper) wrote in an article: "For Erdogan, this coup has been a gift from Allah." and "No other coup in Turkey ever was so incompetent [planned and conducted]"
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@thwr said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
So it appears the Turkish military has lost this attempted overthrow.
Anyone else have more info?
At least 260 dead, 2745 district attorneys and judges removed and/or arrested, 2839 soldiers arrested, tens of thousands people of Turkish origin here in Germany protested against the coup and PRO Erdogan.
Deniz Yücel, a "Die Welt" correspondent (large German newspaper) wrote in an article: "For Erdogan, this coup has been a gift from Allah." and "No other coup in Turkey ever was so incompetent [planned and conducted]"
It was going well at first, but it seems as though past step 1 or 2, they didn't know what else to do. Additionally, I think they should translate Allah as "God" or "The Lord" because even Arabic-speaking Christians use that term and it makes everything have a slant involving Islam, even when it really doesn't.
In general though, this was great for Erdagon, he's already said on TV he's going to use this opportunity to "cleanse" the military, and if you combine this with his statement from March that "democracy and freedom have no value," I imagine he's going to extend that to the rest of society at large. He has a history of locking up or exiling rivals and critics, and some meet with mysterious ends too.
My brother has told me that there's a lot of rumours in the anti-Erdagon parts of society that believe he probably did this, or let it happen, so that he could seize more power. It's possible, but I'm not so sure about that, because Turkey has a history of coups.
Anyway @DustinB3403 if you go up the thread @thwr and I posted updates as it was happening, you can get a lot of information there and I imagine some of those streams/links still work and/or are archived.
If you have any specific questions I may be able to answer them as well, because I tried to absorb as much as I could with this event, and I'm also very disappointed nothing came of it other than Erdagon seizing more power and the US kissing his ass the entire time, and the US media in general using the words "democratically elected" so often, sometimes multiple times in the same sentence, so often it was like Edward Bernays wrote the crap.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
So it appears the Turkish military has lost this attempted overthrow.
Anyone else have more info?
You are WAY behind
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
My brother has told me that there's a lot of rumours in the anti-Erdagon parts of society that believe he probably did this, or let it happen, so that he could seize more power. It's possible, but I'm not so sure about that, because Turkey has a history of coups.
Well, having a history of it just means that it made sense that he could fake one. It's all over the unofficial media and conversations here that it was faked. Not that we know it was, just that people are questioning it and suspect that it was.
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
If you have any specific questions I may be able to answer them as well, because I tried to absorb as much as I could with this event, and I'm also very disappointed nothing came of it other than Erdagon seizing more power and the US kissing his ass the entire time, and the US media in general using the words "democratically elected" so often, sometimes multiple times in the same sentence, so often it was like Edward Bernays wrote the crap.
Just like the US did with Pincohet.
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Baton Rouge: Three US police officers shot dead
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36820782 -
Sturgeon: Second independence referendum could be next year
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36819182 -
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Sturgeon: Second independence referendum could be next year
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36819182I think it's sort of funny to see the last pieces of the Empire be chipped away, but also kind of sad for conflicting reasons.
