Non-IT News Thread
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Europe has managed to completely eliminate drug cartels AND lower drug usage all in a single sweep. Make drugs dirt cheap and decriminalized and suddenly it is not "cool" to do them, there is no one making a lot of money to encourage pushing them and no money to support a cartel. The problem, quite literally, just doesn't exist when you don't use the government to make it exist. Switzerland went so far as to make heroin free and almost totally eliminated heroin usage almost overnight and eliminated all heroin related crime quite literally overnight.
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I can't argue with the soundness of the argument, massive supply, reduces the price per volume. Making it legal, and not blocking it at the borders would probably assist.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
I can't argue with the soundness of the argument, massive supply, reduces the price per volume. Making it legal, and not blocking it at the borders would probably assist.
Blocking it at the border is fine, I think. But you have to make it legal internally. For example, make cocaine illegal to import and people will grow it, dirt cheap, at home, in greenhouses. The cartel will make zero money and have no enemy to attack - every customer becomes their enemy. You simply make the market go away. And without rich pushers to get people addicted, most new customers vanish because who tries cocaine for fun?
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
So... this is a thing. Apparently the Texas Nationalist Movement has jumped their membership 400% since 2012.
So they jumped up in membership, they still only represent 0.7% of the states population.
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@brianlittlejohn said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
So... this is a thing. Apparently the Texas Nationalist Movement has jumped their membership 400% since 2012.
So they jumped up in membership, they still only represent 0.7% of the states population.
And yet... nearly everyone that I meet there.
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@brianlittlejohn said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
So... this is a thing. Apparently the Texas Nationalist Movement has jumped their membership 400% since 2012.
So they jumped up in membership, they still only represent 0.7% of the states population.
I'd guess that the percentage of people that want Texas to leave in the rest of the US is far, far higher than .7%.
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So @scottalanmiller would you even go so far as to have the government help in these home farms? For pot and cocaine. Offering seedlings etc so cartels could be stopped?
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@DustinB3403 It's helped in various countries in the rest of the world...and various states that have legalised it from what I've seen from over here?
If they can legalise it, reduce the costs and tax it...it's a win:win - get rid of the dodgy stuff surrounding it/crime it funds/stigma etc...and you get more tax to spend on healthcare/childcare etc..?
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
So @scottalanmiller would you even go so far as to have the government help in these home farms? For pot and cocaine. Offering seedlings etc so cartels could be stopped?
Switzerland did, had the best drug stopping power ever. They made heroine actually free. The government pays for it all and controls access to it to make sure that no one is forced to get it, it is always provided in safe environments, clean needles are requires and always free, locations to use it are provided, etc. The effects are incredibly dramatic. Heroine usage dropped and heroine crime went away. those that used heroine always have access to help and there isn't one penny to be made in producing it.
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@NattNatt said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 It's helped in various countries in the rest of the world...and various states that have legalised it from what I've seen from over here?
If they can legalise it, reduce the costs and tax it...it's a win:win - get rid of the dodgy stuff surrounding it/crime it funds/stigma etc...and you get more tax to spend on healthcare/childcare etc..?
Yup, it reduces the need for healthcare while generating money to cover healthcare. Everyone wins.
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@scottalanmiller and reduces funding for other more sinister stuff.
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@NattNatt said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller and reduces funding for other more sinister stuff.
Reduces crime, reduces the need for police and military.... all things that the government hates reducing, unfortunately.
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@scottalanmiller Not necessarily reduces policing, but in some countries it free's up the police's time/resources to deal with more important things - less time spent chasing kids selling bags of weed = more time/resources to catch murdereds/rapists/child abusers etc
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@NattNatt said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller Not necessarily reduces policing, but in some countries it free's up the police's time/resources to deal with more important things - less time spent chasing kids selling bags of weed = more time/resources to catch murdereds/rapists/child abusers etc
Or you know, just being helpful like they are in most countries.
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@scottalanmiller Hah, I have no experience with Police in the States (outside of what I see on social media/news sites etc) - but yeah, in most of the world they are an asset (granted, I'm biased...but shhh
)...and it's scary to see/hear about the US police force... -
@NattNatt said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller Hah, I have no experience with Police in the States (outside of what I see on social media/news sites etc) - but yeah, in most of the world they are an asset (granted, I'm biased...but shhh
)...and it's scary to see/hear about the US police force...Well, for example, in any other country I see them doing things to protect people or just provide assistance whenever they have free time. In the US, police with free time are normally patrolling roads to see if they can find any excuse to ticket and fine you. They don't spend most of their time trying to protect, but time trying to "catch". it's not about the good of the public, it's about making money off of a populace that is "always guilty".
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@NattNatt said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller Not necessarily reduces policing, but in some countries it free's up the police's time/resources to deal with more important things - less time spent chasing kids selling bags of weed = more time/resources to catch murdereds/rapists/child abusers etc
Or you know, just being helpful like they are in most countries.
Uck, we're gonna have to break out another thread if I get started on police in 'merica.
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@scottalanmiller yeah, sadly I've worked with a few like that too...but the majority are just chilled and give you "words of advice" about minor things like that
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@travisdh1 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@NattNatt said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller Not necessarily reduces policing, but in some countries it free's up the police's time/resources to deal with more important things - less time spent chasing kids selling bags of weed = more time/resources to catch murdereds/rapists/child abusers etc
Or you know, just being helpful like they are in most countries.
Uck, we're gonna have to break out another thread if I get started on police in 'merica.
All I will say on the matter of police in the US:
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@RojoLoco I was once on patrol at 3am...to keep me awake I had my mp3 player (sony walkman) playing loudly to keep me awake...that song came on and I burst out laughing, had to stop and calm down :')
