Laptop Pricing - A small rant.
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@thecreativeone91 and you'll want a reseller partner. We are a non-reseller partner. So you can get Dell access through us, but when you want to buy you get passed over to Dell or, more commonly, xByte.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Dell has been getting much better with their reps since it went back to a private company rather than publicly traded.
Agreed from what I've seen elsewhere, but we're on our Nth rep this year alone
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@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Dell has been getting much better with their reps since it went back to a private company rather than publicly traded.
Agreed from what I've seen elsewhere, but we're on our Nth rep this year alone
Wow. I'm used to getting a new rep every 1-2 years anymore. it used to be every 3-6 months though before the change back to a private company.
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@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Dell has been getting much better with their reps since it went back to a private company rather than publicly traded.
Agreed from what I've seen elsewhere, but we're on our Nth rep this year alone
At my old job, about 1 1/2 ago, we started to have a new rep every quarter it seemed. Of course, it isn't just Dell. I currently have had about 3-4 Reps from our phone provider within a year. I think people move around a lot more in companies, now a days. They get promoted to manager, they don't hack it in Sales and move to a different department, or find a better company/job. Of course, that is just my opinion, I could be way off.
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Have a love/hate with Dell. I've opted for them over almost all other competitors and mostly just wish their design was better. Actually ordered a new Dell laptop last night.
1080p @ 17.3"
Win 8
i7-5500U
8GB @ 1600MHz
GeForce 840M 2GB
DVD drive for some silly reason
Backlit keyboard$839.
I got fed up w/ my 2015 Retina MBP for development and just needed something w/ a Windows keyboard. We'll see how it goes.
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@creayt Nice config! SSD?
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Throwing one in, possbily two if the model supports replacing the DVD drive w/ an internal housing, but it didn't come w/ one. I have a handful of 840 Pros lying around from an old workstation.
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@creayt Yeah it should be compatible, you can buy them on eBay IIRC. Nifty battery "slice" things can go in there too.
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@MattSpeller said:
@creayt Yeah it should be compatible, you can buy them on eBay IIRC. Nifty battery "slice" things can go in there too.
Awesome, I'll check it out. It'd be amazing to Raid 0 that sh.
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@creayt said:
Awesome, I'll check it out. It'd be amazing to Raid 0 that sh.
lol damn rights it would. You'd probably see little benefit but massive props if you do it anyway XD
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@MattSpeller said:
@creayt said:
Awesome, I'll check it out. It'd be amazing to Raid 0 that sh.
lol damn rights it would. You'd probably see little benefit but massive props if you do it anyway XD
I'm the asshole that thinks OS X is too sprinkled w/ latency to use for web development. I notice that command + tab has a slight, imperceptible to some people, delay before it fades onto the screen when compared w/ Windows' alt + tab on the same machine. I wouldn't be shocked if I did feel some benefit
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@creayt I spent several hours creating the fastest core XP install I possibly could for similar reasons. Granted that was for dual WD Raptor 150GB 10krpm drives that you could hear with headphones on. Ahhh good times
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@creayt said:
@MattSpeller said:
@creayt said:
Awesome, I'll check it out. It'd be amazing to Raid 0 that sh.
lol damn rights it would. You'd probably see little benefit but massive props if you do it anyway XD
I'm the asshole that thinks OS X is too sprinkled w/ latency to use for web development. I notice that command + tab has a slight, imperceptible to some people, delay before it fades onto the screen when compared w/ Windows' alt + tab on the same machine. I wouldn't be shocked if I did feel some benefit
I'm a Mac user and find EVERYTHING to have an annoying amount of delay. I have the top end, brand new MacBook Pro and find it sluggish and problematic.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@creayt said:
@MattSpeller said:
@creayt said:
Awesome, I'll check it out. It'd be amazing to Raid 0 that sh.
lol damn rights it would. You'd probably see little benefit but massive props if you do it anyway XD
I'm the asshole that thinks OS X is too sprinkled w/ latency to use for web development. I notice that command + tab has a slight, imperceptible to some people, delay before it fades onto the screen when compared w/ Windows' alt + tab on the same machine. I wouldn't be shocked if I did feel some benefit
I'm a Mac user and find EVERYTHING to have an annoying amount of delay. I have the top end, brand new MacBook Pro and find it sluggish and problematic.
So refereshing to hear someone besides me say that. My theory is that it has to do w/ OS X being some kind of secondary presentation layer OS that sits over Unix and does a crapload of translations from underlying Unix events to OS X. There's even a delay in right clicking half the time. Whatever the cause actually is, it's annoying and I just cannot feel comfortable writing code on OS X. Don't get me started on the laundry list of abominable usability decisions. I like OS X for web browsing ( as long as I don't need to browse too many tabs at once ) and love the text aliasing for the most part, for most fonts preferring it to Windows, but productivity man, productivity. It is interesting to see how much faster the same computer becomes when you throw Boot Camp onto it.
*Written from a retina iMac running Windows 8.
I actually returned a top-of-the-line 15.4" retina MacBook Pro two nights ago because I realized I had no use for it, at all. Somehow the 13" 2015 one feels faster than it even with just a dual core. The PCIe SSD uses 4 lanes apparently so it gets 1300/1300, which is my only guess as to how it manages that.
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@MattSpeller said:
@creayt I spent several hours creating the fastest core XP install I possibly could for similar reasons. Granted that was for dual WD Raptor 150GB 10krpm drives that you could hear with headphones on. Ahhh good times
Epic.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@creayt said:
@MattSpeller said:
@creayt said:
Awesome, I'll check it out. It'd be amazing to Raid 0 that sh.
lol damn rights it would. You'd probably see little benefit but massive props if you do it anyway XD
I'm the asshole that thinks OS X is too sprinkled w/ latency to use for web development. I notice that command + tab has a slight, imperceptible to some people, delay before it fades onto the screen when compared w/ Windows' alt + tab on the same machine. I wouldn't be shocked if I did feel some benefit
I'm a Mac user and find EVERYTHING to have an annoying amount of delay. I have the top end, brand new MacBook Pro and find it sluggish and problematic.
It didn't used to be that way.. apple has thrown away their base and primary market to make everything more consumerish and the OS and apps (final cut pro) suffered a lot. There's a lot of things that feel too much like iOS on it now. Sad thing is Mircosoft is doing a better job of a unified OS/ecosystem... That shouldn't be happening. Mac OS used to be much more lightweight.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
It didn't used to be that way.. apple has thrown away their base and primary market to make everything more consumerish and the OS and apps (final cut pro) suffered a lot. There's a lot of things that feel too much like iOS on it now. Sad thing is Mircosoft is doing a better job of a unified OS/ecosystem... That shouldn't be happening. Mac OS used to be much more lightweight.
Hey! haha - give MS a break, they're doing pretty well lately.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@creayt said:
@MattSpeller said:
@creayt said:
Awesome, I'll check it out. It'd be amazing to Raid 0 that sh.
lol damn rights it would. You'd probably see little benefit but massive props if you do it anyway XD
I'm the asshole that thinks OS X is too sprinkled w/ latency to use for web development. I notice that command + tab has a slight, imperceptible to some people, delay before it fades onto the screen when compared w/ Windows' alt + tab on the same machine. I wouldn't be shocked if I did feel some benefit
I'm a Mac user and find EVERYTHING to have an annoying amount of delay. I have the top end, brand new MacBook Pro and find it sluggish and problematic.
It didn't used to be that way.. apple has thrown away their base and primary market to make everything more consumerish and the OS and apps (final cut pro) suffered a lot. There's a lot of things that feel too much like iOS on it now. Sad thing is Mircosoft is doing a better job of a unified OS/ecosystem... That shouldn't be happening. Mac OS used to be much more lightweight.
That's how I remember it, long ago. Now I've got this crazy laptop, loaded with the fastest hardware ever and it feels no faster than my dc5850 Windows 8.1 desktop.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@creayt said:
@MattSpeller said:
@creayt said:
Awesome, I'll check it out. It'd be amazing to Raid 0 that sh.
lol damn rights it would. You'd probably see little benefit but massive props if you do it anyway XD
I'm the asshole that thinks OS X is too sprinkled w/ latency to use for web development. I notice that command + tab has a slight, imperceptible to some people, delay before it fades onto the screen when compared w/ Windows' alt + tab on the same machine. I wouldn't be shocked if I did feel some benefit
I'm a Mac user and find EVERYTHING to have an annoying amount of delay. I have the top end, brand new MacBook Pro and find it sluggish and problematic.
It didn't used to be that way.. apple has thrown away their base and primary market to make everything more consumerish and the OS and apps (final cut pro) suffered a lot. There's a lot of things that feel too much like iOS on it now. Sad thing is Mircosoft is doing a better job of a unified OS/ecosystem... That shouldn't be happening. Mac OS used to be much more lightweight.
That's how I remember it, long ago. Now I've got this crazy laptop, loaded with the fastest hardware ever and it feels no faster than my dc5850 Windows 8.1 desktop.
I don't remember macs ever being fast. I remember them false advertising themselves as fast, like with their "The world's most powerful personal computer" campaign w/ Jeff Goldblum that they had to stop airing because it was deemed preposterously false ( was a 2 CPU desktop that would lose in benchmarks to a single CPU, low-end Windows box ).
In fact I remember when I first started using computers, it was circa 2003 I think, and I'd ordered some generic, cobbled together AMD Athlon box off of some auction site because it was all I could afford, I think it was around $400, which for that day and age was extremmmmely cheap. I used it for a few weeks at home, and then school started and I enrolled in some graphic design and animation classes... When I got to their brand-new iMacs they were so slow by comparison that I figured something must be wrong with mine ( until I switch 3 or 4 times to other seats and they were all the same ). Even things like Photoshop were exponentially slower, and I found myself waiting on the interface so much that it was pretty instantly frustrating. Then I'd hear my graphic design teacher say things like "Macs are better for web design and development, they just are", and when I'd challenge her ( out of sincerity, I wanted to know why ) she'd never have any actual information to back up her claims, just that "it's generally accepted that they are." So for my main project in that class I made a video showing me doing identical work much, much faster on my $400 brandless windows box side-by-side w/ their "brand new", exorbitantly expensive iMacs. The class was laughing almost the entire time, at one point I showed how in the time it took to launch some video editing suite on the iMac I was able to launch it on my box literally 6 times, and this was on an entry level 7200RPM drive ( before the SSD days ). I like a lot of things about Macs, but I've never used one I thought was fast ( with the exception of while in Boot Camp, most of them get pretty zippy if you throw Windows onto them ). I think it's just that Microsoft has heavily invested in performance engineering and Apple hasn't, because clearly they can get by without it. If they made Macs with Windows keyboards I'd buy them every time though, a lot of their hardware is more attractive than any Windows hardware I see. I don't think their designs are that amazing, and they make some awkward color choices, like the face that my 2014 retina iMac is aluminum and black and then the keyboard has clashingly white keys. But still. Windows designs, even when they're good like the new XPS 13, are still, most of the time, ruined by stupid decisions ( like the ugly texture/pattern they put on the XPS 13's body ).
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@creayt said:
I don't remember macs ever being fast. I remember them false advertising themselves as fast, like with their "The world's most powerful personal computer" campaign w/ Jeff Goldblum that they had to stop airing because it was deemed preposterously false ( was a 2 CPU desktop that would lose in benchmarks to a single CPU, low-end Windows box ).
OMG, I remember those days. They were so outrageous. It was so trivial to get stuff SO much faster for half the price - even for running Mac OS let alone running "anything." That was a lot for why I've avoided Macs so much, I feel a bit embarrassed using them as people might think I fell for the outrageous claims.
