Hiring/Inteviewing Advice
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What ultimately defines success at any job is two things: the person's attitude and how well they interact in their environment. If their isn't right, even if one is great, the person will not last at that job. Voice of experience here.
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@coliver said:
Hmmm, not much of a conversationalist... so that is going to be difficult.
Any new skill is, I used to be awful, absolutely terrible, kept looking away, did not know what to say, all bad things in conversation.
Don't consider this as something bad, take it as an opportunity to do more of it, see if you can take this as a challenge to improve.
Pro tip, you don't need to be an extravert loud mouth to have a conversation, good conversation involves carefully listening to the other party and responding appropriately.
You are not measuring the person's competence so much, you are more measuring their personality, if in doubt, let your boss do the heavy talking and observe, see how they interact with your boss then feedback after the guy leaves.
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I think a good way to judge how expert someone is on a topic is to see how well they explain something to an idiot. For example, I have a reasonable understanding of storage concepts, but would struggle to explain it to someone because I'm not an expert. So I could possibly blag it when talking to an IT Pro, but would struggle to explain it to my 7 year old daughter. @scottalanmiller is an expert, and would probably make perfect sense to my daughter.
So in your case, getting the interviewee to explain some marketing concepts would give you a good indication of how good they are - even though you're not an expert. If you can understand them, they must be good.
In an interview I did recently with our HR Manager, I got the candidate to explain how Sharepoint could help the HR department. The key was that they had to explain it to someone who knew nothing about Sharepoint and wasn't an IT pro. So they had to break Sharepoint down into layman's terms - which is very hard unless you really understand what Sharepoint is all about.
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@Breffni-Potter
You are not measuring the person's competence so much, you are more measuring their personality, if in doubt, let your boss do the heavy talking and observe, see how they interact with your boss then feedback after the guy leaves.
This will be a one-on-one interview. So no chance of that.
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@coliver said:
This will be a one-on-one interview. So no chance of that.
Hmm, That's a bit harder. Personally I'd have paired you with someone experienced first. Maybe others can weigh in with suggestions.
Is there scope to talk with your boss about doing it as a duo?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@coliver said:
This will be a one-on-one interview. So no chance of that.
Hmm, That's a bit harder. Personally I'd have paired you with someone experienced first. Maybe others can weigh in with suggestions.
Is there scope to talk with your boss about doing it as a duo?
I've mentioned it to him when I originally brought up my concerns. He seemed to think that doing it individually wasn't the best idea either but it wasn't up to him. He was going to talk to our President about it.
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Sounds like a new "leadership gimmick" that the powers that be want everyone to experience doing something.
If your boss comes through for you, buy him a drink
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I always interview as a team. I'm not sufficiently multi-tasking to be able to make notes, think of questions and listen to answers all at the same time.
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I have done both styles, but much prefer one on one. Or two on one at most. Get to team setting (the interview orgy) and it tends to become a dispassionate panel grilling one poor, stressed out person. As someone who does well one on one but very poorly in panel like settings due to an inability to empathize quickly in groups due to being Aspy is likely a factor.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Sounds like a new "leadership gimmick" that the powers that be want everyone to experience doing something.
If your boss comes through for you, buy him a drink
I chalk it up to my personal relationship with the President. He wants to see me move into a leadership role within the company...
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@coliver said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Sounds like a new "leadership gimmick" that the powers that be want everyone to experience doing something.
If your boss comes through for you, buy him a drink
I chalk it up to my personal relationship with the President. He wants to see me move into a leadership role within the company...
That's always good. Job security.
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@coliver That is good but there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.
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@coliver said:
I understand that I may have to hire someone eventually, I'm hoping that is a long way off as I don't really want to go the management track if I can help it.
Yeah, I don't like management, but I've had trouble avoiding it (whilst still earning big bucks).
The good thing for you is that getting some experience on the other side of the interview table will make you a better candidate when you go for interviews yourself. You will learn to see things from the interviewer's perspective and that will help you. You'll probably also see that the interviewer is often just as nervous and apprehensive as the interviewee.
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Oh, I'm used to panels with like five or six. It is horrible. Two isn't bad.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Oh, I'm used to panels with like five or six. It is horrible. Two isn't bad.
My last two jobs had large interviews teams. Five at one and seven at the other. It really was terrible. People weren't paying attention... playing on their electronic devices, no one was really taking the lead... and no one really asked follow up questions... probably because no one really know about tech or IT.
I did have a one-on-one interview with a healthcare MSP, the first one was a conversation with the owner which went really well, I thought, the second interview was with their "Sys Admin" who I got into a conversation about virtualization with... he thought I was arguing and questioning him so that didn't go over well.
I'm trying to get as much information as I can from you guys and I am going to ask my boss what he expects from me during this process.
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Worst interview I ever had was arranged by an agent for a fairly large ERP software house. It was a few hours from my home so I had to stay in a hotel overnight, all at my expense. The first interview was with a few fellow programmers and lasted about an hour. After a short break I was then told I'd passed that interview, and they would do the second interview there and then with a middle manager. That lasted another hour. After another short break I was told I'd passed that interview and they would do the third interview there and then with the CEO. That lasted another hour.
By this stage I was exhausted. Three hours plus, three different interviews. But I felt it was going really well. The questions seem relatively easy.
After the third interview there was another break and they then told me they were really impressed with me and were happy to tell me that they were going to offer me the job of X. This was a fairly junior role. I told them I was there to be interviewed for the job of Y - which was a fairly senior role. What was going on?
It turns out the agent had screwed up and sent me to the wrong interview. They were like "no wonder you seemed so good for this position, you're massive over-qualified" and I Was like "no wonder I did so well in the interview, I'm massively over-qualified".
Two f[moderated]ing days and about $200 I'd wasted on this shit. The agent was just like "oh, sorry, my bad".
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@coliver said:
I understand that I may have to hire someone eventually, I'm hoping that is a long way off as I don't really want to go the management track if I can help it.
Yeah, I don't like management, but I've had trouble avoiding it (whilst still earning big bucks).
The good thing for you is that getting some experience on the other side of the interview table will make you a better candidate when you go for interviews yourself. You will learn to see things from the interviewer's perspective and that will help you. You'll probably also see that the interviewer is often just as nervous and apprehensive as the interviewee.
Big bucks... haha, I manage the entire network now... give me IT infrastructure over people any day.
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@scottalanmiller I like your suggestion and conversation that you have provided.I agree with your point
