Introducing Android L, Android for Business
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@JaredBusch said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
I don't want to use iOS or Android at work. I want to use Windows Professional. Maybe one day soon I'll be able to.
Had that conversation with a client yesterday.
It was a little disappointing hearing that Windows 10 wont be the same exact OS on mobile devices. I thought that was the way MS was going to go with it. Nadella sure made it seem that way. Windows 8.1 with bing is showing that its possible to run a full fledged OS on mobile device. I wonder why they wont do that with Windows 10
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
I don't want to use iOS or Android at work. I want to use Windows Professional. Maybe one day soon I'll be able to.
You want full Windows OS on your phone? Probably a few years away from that, if they ever do it. They've had the option reasonably for a decade and never went that route. And now they are losing what little phone marketshare that they had, so it is looking less and less likely that they will even remain in the mobile market.
I disagree. I think the full Windows OS is the only way they will stay in the market. Its something Apple and Android dont offer. Although it would be interesting if Apple offered a version of Mac OS on their mobile devices.
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Now that "Metro" style apps will run in windowed mode, and MS isn't killing that platform off - those apps will be available on both the phone and the desktop.
I'm not sure it's reasonable to run desktop apps on a phone - is that what you really want?
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@Dashrender said:
Now that "Metro" style apps will run in windowed mode, and MS isn't killing that platform off - those apps will be available on both the phone and the desktop.
I'm not sure it's reasonable to run desktop apps on a phone - is that what you really want?
Why isn't it reasonable when mobile devices have specs better than some older business PCs?
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@scottalanmiller said:
You want full Windows OS on your phone?
I guess not, though that would be pretty cool. What I really want is all my devices and users to be controlled by Active Directory. I'd be happy for phones and tablets to run a stripped down version of Windows, but one that is connected to AD.
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@IRJ said:
Why isn't it reasonable when mobile devices have specs better than some older business PCs?
Better specs to you, but useless specs to Windows. Windows doesn't run on mobile hardware. Phones are not PCs, they are a different architecture. I'm not aware of any PC phone on the market.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You want full Windows OS on your phone?
I guess not, though that would be pretty cool. What I really want is all my devices and users to be controlled by Active Directory. I'd be happy for phones and tablets to run a stripped down version of Windows, but one that is connected to AD.
Agreed - this is what I want as well!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
Why isn't it reasonable when mobile devices have specs better than some older business PCs?
Better specs to you, but useless specs to Windows. Windows doesn't run on mobile hardware. Phones are not PCs, they are a different architecture. I'm not aware of any PC phone on the market.
By PC phone, do you mean x86 based?
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Ten years ago I had an iPAQ running Windows Mobile, and whilst it was a bit clunky, I think MS and HP were on to something. Then they abandoned it.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I guess not, though that would be pretty cool. What I really want is all my devices and users to be controlled by Active Directory. I'd be happy for phones and tablets to run a stripped down version of Windows, but one that is connected to AD.
I'm all for this, the AD part. I want iOS to hook to AD and tie in with management and control that way. I doubt that this will ever happen, though. The fundamental difference is that the world sees computers (desktops, laptops) as shareable, account holding, multiuser systems whereas phones belong to an individual.
How would you handle the phone portions of a mobile phone in an AD setting? Does the number ring to whoever has logged into it? What about when it isn't logged in? Would you just do away with it being a phone and make it just a small computer?
Phones are "device centric" and computing and AD are "user centric." They don't match up well.
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@Dashrender said:
By PC phone, do you mean x86 based?
That's what PC means
IA32 (x86) and AMD64, along with a set of interface requirements, are what makes something a PC (there are non-PC x86 systems out there.) But to be a PC AMD64 architecture is a strict requirement. -
@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
Why isn't it reasonable when mobile devices have specs better than some older business PCs?
Better specs to you, but useless specs to Windows. Windows doesn't run on mobile hardware. Phones are not PCs, they are a different architecture. I'm not aware of any PC phone on the market.
If this low end device can run a full version of Windows today?
http://www.microcenter.com/product/437499/TW801_Tablet_-_BlackWhat would stop a higher end device from doing it in a smaller form factor? I am sure LG or Samsung could put something together like this.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Ten years ago I had an iPAQ running Windows Mobile, and whilst it was a bit clunky, I think MS and HP were on to something. Then they abandoned it.
I had that too. It was a completely independent OS, though. Shared nothing with real Windows. It was the start of a good idea, but boy did they do it poorly. We had them for portable waste management scanning stations.
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@IRJ said:
What would stop a higher end device from doing it in a smaller form factor? I am sure LG or Samsung could put something together like this.
They will get there but it requires both the hardware people and Microsoft to agree to the end goal and to work together on it. A computer isn't a phone. They are close but the behave differently. You can make a phone-sized computer and those have existed. But they don't take calls.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
What would stop a higher end device from doing it in a smaller form factor? I am sure LG or Samsung could put something together like this.
They will get there but it requires both the hardware people and Microsoft to agree to the end goal and to work together on it. A computer isn't a phone. They are close but the behave differently. You can make a phone-sized computer and those have existed. But they don't take calls.
I'll bet a beer that they release one with Windows 10 (or within 3 months of its release). Microsoft has to do something or they are going to lose the phone market. I think Windows 8.1 with bing is Microsoft's test market for getting their OS to work on lower end hardware. Windows 8.1 is lighter than Windows 7 and I feel like Windows 10 will be even lighter.
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@IRJ said:
I'll bet a beer that they release one with Windows 10 (or within 3 months of its release). Microsoft has to do something or they are going to lose the phone market. I think Windows 8.1 with bing is Microsoft's test market for getting their OS to work on lower end hardware. Windows 8.1 is lighter than Windows 7 and I feel like Windows 10 will be even lighter.
It's possible but I find it unlikely given them losing market share so rapidly and that they have been backing away from the mobile market rather than investing in it. It feels like they gave up already. RT was a flop and RT was the key to getting everything to work. RT did so poorly that people actually thought that they had pulled the product from market.
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@scottalanmiller said:
RT did so poorly that people actually thought that they had pulled the product from market.
I know I thought it was dead until I heard people talking about it on a podcast (Windows Weekly)
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Is RT still available for anything after Windows 8?
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@Reid-Cooper said:
Is RT still available for anything after Windows 8?
I don't understand your question?
RT was an ARM only platform - MS hasn't give any information yet on windows 10 and ARM.
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@Dashrender said:
@Reid-Cooper said:
Is RT still available for anything after Windows 8?
I don't understand your question?
RT was an ARM only platform - MS hasn't give any information yet on windows 10 and ARM.
My question was did RT continue to exist after Windows 8. They made the RT version of 8, but I don't remember them making one for 8.1. Hence it being semi-retired as they didn't keep making it. Maybe they did, but I think that it was dropped and they just half-heartedly continued to support the older version.
