Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?
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@wirestyle22 said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender I personally think they cover the shooters themselves too much and to someone going through serious mental health issues it can be interpreted as glorifying what they did, even deifying them.
Funny, but I actually also kind of agree:
Agreed. the media has definitely caused some of the issue. Humans crave attention - deranged humans crave this specific attention...
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I believe, haven't worked it all out yet, it starts with the break down of the core family figures creating an unstable foundation.
Outside factors (Main Street Media, politicians, Social Media, etc..) pile on top of the initial break down which leads to these types of outcomes.
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@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
I believe, haven't worked it all out yet, it starts with the break down of the core family figures creating an unstable foundation.
Outside factors (Main Street Media, politicians, Social Media, etc..) pile on top of the initial break down which leads to these types of outcomes.
I do hear that a lot... though I'm not sure what leads to the break down of "core family" as you put it..
hell what is core family?
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To me it means, someone has to fill the typical "Leave It To Beaver" roles to create order and peace.
Down to the basics, the roles are no different than Caveman. The nurturing, the hunter/gatherer, Educator/Wisdom, and disciplinarian roles. While possible, it is very difficult for one person to perform all these roles at the same capacity as two for their entire life.
In the words of Dennis Miller, "Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
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@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
I'm curious what people thing the reason is that mass shootings have supposedly increased?
I don't have any hard numbers to know that they really have - only that the media is making an bigger and bigger deal out of it it seems.
The FBI publishes statistics every year.
And every year the media ignores the fact that the most violent places to live in the US of A are the ones with the most restrictive gun laws while the safest ones to live in are where concealed and open carry are the norm. Castle Laws greatly improve those statistics too.
Another statistic that gets ignored is the number of times someone with a firearm that uses it to defeat a perp with a firearm or firearms. But then, that doesn't fit the narrative does it?
As a Canuck, we have self-defense with equal force written into our Rule of Law but our "law enforcement" agencies and "legal system" go all-out lawfare on anyone that defends themselves reasonably with equal force. The case will get thrown out ... eventually but it will cost the defender $250K to get there.
Cherish the Second Amendment. It's the only thing standing between We the People and Tyranny. The Founding Fathers put it in there for a very specific reason.
EDIT: As far as "mass shootings" go, why is the perp's mental illness background never mentioned or only in brief do we see "they were a loner" "they kept to themselves" and so on?
Guns don't kill people. People kill people and with all manner of devices.
Joker: "I'm going to make this pencil disappear." SLAMEDIT 2: Switzerland. Every household has a gun. It's mandatory service there. Where's the mass shootings?
We have one of the highest per capita firearms ownership up here and yet where are the mass shootings?
Why is that? Why would the focus be on disarming the US as a nation? What could the possible motive be for removing over 300M firearms from We the People's hands?
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
EDIT: As far as "mass shootings" go, why is the perp's mental illness background never mentioned or only in brief do we see "they were a loner" "they kept to themselves" and so on?
uh - what? that seems to be the central theme as of late - many who do this were "known dangers" yet knowing was/could be done about it - almost always leading to - we should have stricter universal background checks.
But things like HIPAA would prevent typical mental health from ever being part of those records until after a person is accused of a crime, personal opinions start to fly from neighbors, co-workers, etc. now the person is branded mentally unstable, etc...
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Guns don't kill people. People kill people and with all manner of devices.
Joker: "I'm going to make this pencil disappear." SLAMExactly - the difference that the gun haters all say - those other methods rarely affect the mass amount that guns do. Truck through a parade, a bomb, etc.. there are still ways to have mass causalities.
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Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
EDIT 2: Switzerland. Every household has a gun. It's mandatory service there. Where's the mass shootings?
We have one of the highest per capita firearms ownership up here and yet where are the mass shootings?
Why is that? Why would the focus be on disarming the US as a nation? What could the possible motive be for removing over 300M firearms from We the People's hands?
I think another issue we have is that we are looked at as a single country (of course which we are) but really we shouldn't be. At best we should be look regionally or only at the state level. That would put us comparably much closer to the rest of the world. Granted we'll have places like Nebraska/S. Dakota/N. Dakota/Montanna have super low populations compared to our landmasses.. but still.. stop looking at the USA as a single thing - and break it into more closely related parts for your comparisons.
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@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
EDIT 2: Switzerland. Every household has a gun. It's mandatory service there. Where's the mass shootings?
We have one of the highest per capita firearms ownership up here and yet where are the mass shootings?
Why is that? Why would the focus be on disarming the US as a nation? What could the possible motive be for removing over 300M firearms from We the People's hands?
I think another issue we have is that we are looked at as a single country (of course which we are) but really we shouldn't be. At best we should be look regionally or only at the state level. That would put us comparably much closer to the rest of the world. Granted we'll have places like Nebraska/S. Dakota/N. Dakota/Montanna have super low populations compared to our landmasses.. but still.. stop looking at the USA as a single thing - and break it into more closely related parts for your comparisons.
Yup. And there's a distinct/direct correlation between guns and crime and the Democrat Party.
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@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
So to that end:
I'm wondering if lately, the whole trophy for everyone/entitlement mentality is a driving force for younger people doing this.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Yup. And there's a distinct/direct correlation between guns and crime and the Democrat Party.
Please expand that thought.
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@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Yup. And there's a distinct/direct correlation between guns and crime and the Democrat Party.
Please expand that thought.
Chicago - Shots, Shots, Shots
DC - Shots, Shots, ShotsAgain, look at the FBI statistics. It's not hard to put together what party affiliation the anti-gun powers that be belong to.
We live in an era of "Think this way because experts say so" without anyone taking the time to actually dig in to the statistics. That's all it takes is to put some effort and critical thinking skills into something to figure out who is blowing it out their arse and who is not.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Yup. And there's a distinct/direct correlation between guns and crime and the Democrat Party.
Please expand that thought.
Chicago - Shots, Shots, Shots
DC - Shots, Shots, ShotsAgain, look at the FBI statistics. It's not hard to put together what party affiliation the anti-gun powers that be belong to.
We live in an era of "Think this way because experts say so" without anyone taking the time to actually dig in to the statistics. That's all it takes is to put some effort and critical thinking skills into something to figure out who is blowing it out their arse and who is not.
I'm not sure I agree with that specific outlook - you don't have causation there.
What do you have is HUGE population, low wages -
most large metros in the USA are voting democrats.What you are more likely saying is - those who hate guns for whatever reason are voting them out - but that's also voting gun violence up. the voters aren't looking at the cause of the actual violence. just one thing that's part of the violence.
After 40+ years you'd think they would realize that getting rid of guns (not sure that they really have) hasn't worked - it's time to try something new - but those new things are VERY hard and require even greater sacrifices to accomplish.
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@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Yup. And there's a distinct/direct correlation between guns and crime and the Democrat Party.
Please expand that thought.
Chicago - Shots, Shots, Shots
DC - Shots, Shots, ShotsAgain, look at the FBI statistics. It's not hard to put together what party affiliation the anti-gun powers that be belong to.
We live in an era of "Think this way because experts say so" without anyone taking the time to actually dig in to the statistics. That's all it takes is to put some effort and critical thinking skills into something to figure out who is blowing it out their arse and who is not.
I'm not sure I agree with that specific outlook - you don't have causation there.
What do you have is HUGE population, low wages -
most large metros in the USA are voting democrats.What you are more likely saying is - those who hate guns for whatever reason are voting them out - but that's also voting gun violence up. the voters aren't looking at the cause of the actual violence. just one thing that's part of the violence.
After 40+ years you'd think they would realize that getting rid of guns (not sure that they really have) hasn't worked - it's time to try something new - but those new things are VERY hard and require even greater sacrifices to accomplish.
I agree. I see states that are pulling in concealed carry and training for teachers. That's a good start.
Where do the most violent crimes/mass shooting happen? In so-called "gun free zones".
Criminals gonna perp. Guns gonna be available to them in perpetuity. That has not changed since perps smuggled spears into "spear free zones" and started slashing.
EDIT: As far as causation goes, no, one could attribute factors across the board. But, and it's a big one, the catch is that all large centers have similar attributes as far as poverty, unemployment, and so on. Once we factor that in, the party demarks become a lot clearer.
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@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
So to that end:
I'm wondering if lately, the whole trophy for everyone/entitlement mentality is a driving force for younger people doing this.
It's possible. One would think inclusion would give a sense of pride but maybe it is having the reverse affect.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Guns don't kill people. People kill people and with all manner of devices.
I don't think it could be said any better than that... I mean anything that's not bolted down is potentially a murder weapon.
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here is some thoughts on the matter:
https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/school-shooting-bible-meaning-hope/
Even though it is article is geared towards school shootings. It is also helpful to understand the principle motives behind them.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Criminals gonna perp. Guns gonna be available to them in perpetuity. That has not changed since perps smuggled spears into "spear free zones" and started slashing.
reminds me of Back to the Future 3 - Tannan with a gun in his hat
Yeah - you're not wrong.
Short of killing all ability to acquire shooting weapons - specific no-shooty weapons zones will always be hit by the criminals.
And even once you make shooty's illegal - it will probably take 30+ years to get enough off the streets before you actually see a decline in violence caused by them.
It's just an impractical battle from the anti-shooty people.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
EDIT: As far as causation goes, no, one could attribute factors across the board. But, and it's a big one, the catch is that all large centers have similar attributes as far as poverty, unemployment, and so on. Once we factor that in, the party demarks become a lot clearer.
Please show me a large, I mean 1 million plus (and that might even be to small) metro that doesn't lean all liberal/democrat.
Nebraska a typically Red state is now a purple state because the single large metro is so liberal/democrat.
