So Windows 11??
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@voip_n00b said in So Windows 11??:
Windows 11 Home will require a Microsoft account. Confirming what I saw last week when I installed both Windows 11 Home and Windows 11 Pro in clean install and upgrade configurations, Windows 11 will controversially require both an Internet connection and a Microsoft account (MSA) during the initial Setup. This is a curiously tone-deaf decision, given that Home is the mainstream Windows 11 version and Microsoft’s history with this kind of thing. (Anyone else remember the “submarine” episode ahead of the Xbox One launch?)
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/252299/microsoft-unveils-windows-11
It feels unlikely that microsoft will make their computers "online only." Tin foil hat wearing anti-Internet types are a major customer group of Windows.
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@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
@jaredbusch said in So Windows 11??:
@dustinb3403 said in So Windows 11??:
The fact that you're required to have a Microsoft account for the new OS is disturbing.
You are not from what I saw. It is just not easy to get around.
Not that easy currently, either.
actually, I read that you just have to Alt F4 the window requesting a MS logon, and it will press on.
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@dashrender said in So Windows 11??:
@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
@jaredbusch said in So Windows 11??:
@dustinb3403 said in So Windows 11??:
The fact that you're required to have a Microsoft account for the new OS is disturbing.
You are not from what I saw. It is just not easy to get around.
Not that easy currently, either.
actually, I read that you just have to Alt F4 the window requesting a MS logon, and it will press on.
Will have to test that!
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@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
@dashrender said in So Windows 11??:
@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
@jaredbusch said in So Windows 11??:
@dustinb3403 said in So Windows 11??:
The fact that you're required to have a Microsoft account for the new OS is disturbing.
You are not from what I saw. It is just not easy to get around.
Not that easy currently, either.
actually, I read that you just have to Alt F4 the window requesting a MS logon, and it will press on.
Will have to test that!
Yeah on each variant of the OS, home pro etc
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I saw that only 8 gen or newer Intel CPUs are supported. So for instance 6th generation (Skylake) is not supported.
Microsoft of course knows they will sell more OS as more people will need to get new computers.
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@dustinb3403 said in So Windows 11??:
The fact that you're required to have a Microsoft account for the new OS is disturbing.
Only for non-pro version.
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@dashrender said in So Windows 11??:
actually, I read that you just have to Alt F4 the window requesting a MS logon, and it will press on.
Also, with the current Home versions, if you wait until after the username setup to attached to WiFi or plug into ethernet, it lets you create a local account.
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Not impressed. Have to replace my CPU (Ryzen 5 1600) if I want to upgrade.
Yeah yeah, TPM blah blah blah. Still not happy about it. I've only had the CPU for 3 years.Granted I don't have to move until 2025 (WIN10 EOL) if I want to retain my hardware that long.
Just irritated that I can't upgrade straight away.These requirements may not seem too strict, but having a look at the list of supported processors, you’ll notice that the 1st Gen AMD Ryzen CPUs aren’t supported, and the 2nd Gen Zen+ processors are a bare minimum on AMD’s end and the 8th Gen Kaby Lake-R is the least supported on Intel’s end. Keep in mind that although the OS will run on systems using older processors, it’s “not recommended”. Microsoft’s list of supported processors doesn’t make sense as there’s little to no difference between the 1st and 2nd Gen Ryzen processors. Similarly, the Kaby Lake-R (8th Gen Intel Core lineup) is essentially a rebranding of the 7th Gen offerings.
- BBQ Sauce: https://www.hardwaretimes.com/windows-11-wont-support-1st-gen-amd-ryzen-processors-tpm-required/
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@nadnerb said in So Windows 11??:
Not impressed. Have to replace my CPU (Ryzen 5 1600) if I want to upgrade.
Yeah yeah, TPM blah blah blah. Still not happy about it. I've only had the CPU for 3 years.Granted I don't have to move until 2025 (WIN10 EOL) if I want to retain my hardware that long.
Just irritated that I can't upgrade straight away.These requirements may not seem too strict, but having a look at the list of supported processors, you’ll notice that the 1st Gen AMD Ryzen CPUs aren’t supported, and the 2nd Gen Zen+ processors are a bare minimum on AMD’s end and the 8th Gen Kaby Lake-R is the least supported on Intel’s end. Keep in mind that although the OS will run on systems using older processors, it’s “not recommended”. Microsoft’s list of supported processors doesn’t make sense as there’s little to no difference between the 1st and 2nd Gen Ryzen processors. Similarly, the Kaby Lake-R (8th Gen Intel Core lineup) is essentially a rebranding of the 7th Gen offerings.
- BBQ Sauce: https://www.hardwaretimes.com/windows-11-wont-support-1st-gen-amd-ryzen-processors-tpm-required/
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It's called planned obsolescence. It's not done for any technical reason whatsoever, so looking for what makes "sense" doesn't make sense.
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Companies need to make money… not that windows didn’t make money before, but the old method of a one time sale is pretty much gone… most have moved to a subscription model.
Part of me says that ms should just straight up move to that model for windows. You’re on a current system, then something like $20/yr, as it gets older ramp the price up because support becomes more Expensive even if only for updates because you have to leave devs back on the older platforms instead of move if their work to the modern current one of the day.
Of course, if that happens, I think the jump nix bases OSes would skyrocket for home use.
But maybe not… maybe more people would go Mac or chromeOS
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@dashrender said in So Windows 11??:
Companies need to make money… not that windows didn’t make money before, but the old method of a one time sale is pretty much gone… most have moved to a subscription model.
Part of me says that ms should just straight up move to that model for windows. You’re on a current system, then something like $20/yr, as it gets older ramp the price up because support becomes more Expensive even if only for updates because you have to leave devs back on the older platforms instead of move if their work to the modern current one of the day.
Of course, if that happens, I think the jump nix bases OSes would skyrocket for home use.
But maybe not… maybe more people would go Mac or chromeOS
People are very used to subscriptions so I think almost no one would switch. But I don't think Microsoft is doing that.
I think they are going the Facebook route. The service (Windows OS) will be "free" for the consumer but they will be the product.
They will bring in money from their cloud services and do their old classic integration in Windows that will disfavor the competition. Like they have done with many, many services. Pretending them to be essential to the OS. Like Internet Explorer.
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I think they will eventually push their OS to a basic model within the next 30 years and push a azure virtual desktop more for home use, knowing that way they can they can bring a monthly income for every desktop. It wouldn't even surprise me with their sudden interest in linux that they will change to the linux kernel with a windows compatibility layer, they could then save more by getting the help of the Linux community and probably less outgoings for them on their windows team. they are already bringing lots of implementations to windows already for their 365/azure stuff. They are obviously knowing most users have internet these days otherwise they wouldn't be forcing the Microsoft Account Login. It's all about being online now and windows I can see going this way.
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If you want more customisation and privacy without companies selling your data and generally a secure OS then Linux distributions are they way to go in my eyes.
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No more having to go into control panel...
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@obsolesce Finally.....
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@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
Not that easy currently, either.
I find it very easy, just don't have it connected to the internet when installing. You then select offline account.
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@hobbit666 said in So Windows 11??:
@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
Not that easy currently, either.
I find it very easy, just don't have it connected to the internet when installing. You then select offline account.
Assuming you're using something other than Windows Home edition (possibly). I would assume Microsoft wouldn't force this on businesses, but I see them trying to lead people down the path of the "Desktop as a Service" route and charging a routine fee.
Microsoft is likely seeing how this pans out and if there is an appetite to spend additional monies on something that has traditionally been a "non-seen cost" of the home PC.
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Then of course there is the question of why would Microsoft even consider this as an option? Why are people forced to have a Microsoft Account tied to something that as traditionally been a personal device.
This article makes a pretty strong argument for not using an MS account.
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For something to compare this against, I liken this move to what Adobe did when it was originally released. Free for Colleges and course work and after however many years they confirmed people were locked into the software (didn't know anything else) and force people to open a subscription to use it.
There's a ton of money just sitting out there, waiting to be dumped into Desktop as a Service, but Microsoft has likely missed the true mark on this one, as the Linux community is pushing hard to make some extremely strong competition.
If and when gaming is Linux Ready for the blockbuster type games, I can see the Windows Desktop experience almost completely going away.
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@hobbit666 said in So Windows 11??:
@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
Not that easy currently, either.
I find it very easy, just don't have it connected to the internet when installing. You then select offline account.
You don't know if they will disable you doing this on the the final release of the Home Edition.
