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    • pmonchoP
      pmoncho @Dashrender
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      @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

      @scottalanmiller said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

      Known terrible employer and put of despair place to work announced already that they are making people come back after the pandemic.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/google-speeds-partial-office-reopening-and-puts-limits-on-remote-work.html

      Yeah, I was asked just yesterday - can you spy on people what websites they are visiting and for how long?

      I asked why do you care? Why not look at their production numbers and if they are bad - council them, if they remain bad, get rid of them...

      Totally agree here. I've been saying that to my previous boss and new current VP's in charge. Before allowing Internet access, it was texting. Before that it was personal phone calls.

      When I would get asked what I could do from a tech standpoint, I always replied with, "How are their practices doing? Are they behind in charges and slow entering payments? Is the monthly AR up? If all bad, why are they here?" Never did get any decent answers.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @pmoncho
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        @pmoncho
        What’s weird here is that they are catching them red handed .... yet I assume they don’t consider that good enough.... if that’s not good enough how does their browser history help?

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        • pmonchoP
          pmoncho @Dashrender
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          @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

          @pmoncho
          What’s weird here is that they are catching them red handed .... yet I assume they don’t consider that good enough.... if that’s not good enough how does their browser history help?

          My only guess is, if its not written proof it didn't happen. The manager could be in a verbally acknowledge, gather hard copy evidence, wait for next employee review and then lay down the hammer mode. (Just a wild ass guess as this managerial behavior confuses me)

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          • stacksofplatesS
            stacksofplates @pmoncho
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            @pmoncho said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

            @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

            @pmoncho
            What’s weird here is that they are catching them red handed .... yet I assume they don’t consider that good enough.... if that’s not good enough how does their browser history help?

            My only guess is, if its not written proof it didn't happen. The manager could be in a verbally acknowledge, gather hard copy evidence, wait for next employee review and then lay down the hammer mode. (Just a wild ass guess as this managerial behavior confuses me)

            A lot of it is legal. Depending on states status for at will employment (and even in at will states depending on the situation) you would need documentation. Going to court is extremely expensive and there are a lot of lawyers that will do either pro bono or contingency based pay for the employees. The company has to pay to fight the battle and it's cheaper to buy software to track someone to cover themselves, than to spend time (or extra time) in court fighting their case.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @pmoncho
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              @pmoncho said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

              @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

              @pmoncho
              What’s weird here is that they are catching them red handed .... yet I assume they don’t consider that good enough.... if that’s not good enough how does their browser history help?

              My only guess is, if its not written proof it didn't happen. The manager could be in a verbally acknowledge, gather hard copy evidence, wait for next employee review and then lay down the hammer mode. (Just a wild ass guess as this managerial behavior confuses me)

              Here here

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @stacksofplates
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                @stacksofplates said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                @pmoncho said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                @pmoncho
                What’s weird here is that they are catching them red handed .... yet I assume they don’t consider that good enough.... if that’s not good enough how does their browser history help?

                My only guess is, if its not written proof it didn't happen. The manager could be in a verbally acknowledge, gather hard copy evidence, wait for next employee review and then lay down the hammer mode. (Just a wild ass guess as this managerial behavior confuses me)

                A lot of it is legal. Depending on states status for at will employment (and even in at will states depending on the situation) you would need documentation. Going to court is extremely expensive and there are a lot of lawyers that will do either pro bono or contingency based pay for the employees. The company has to pay to fight the battle and it's cheaper to buy software to track someone to cover themselves, than to spend time (or extra time) in court fighting their case.

                We have never been sued to my knowledge. And we have fired a handful of people in my tenure.

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                • stacksofplatesS
                  stacksofplates @Dashrender
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                  @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                  @stacksofplates said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                  @pmoncho said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                  @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                  @pmoncho
                  What’s weird here is that they are catching them red handed .... yet I assume they don’t consider that good enough.... if that’s not good enough how does their browser history help?

                  My only guess is, if its not written proof it didn't happen. The manager could be in a verbally acknowledge, gather hard copy evidence, wait for next employee review and then lay down the hammer mode. (Just a wild ass guess as this managerial behavior confuses me)

                  A lot of it is legal. Depending on states status for at will employment (and even in at will states depending on the situation) you would need documentation. Going to court is extremely expensive and there are a lot of lawyers that will do either pro bono or contingency based pay for the employees. The company has to pay to fight the battle and it's cheaper to buy software to track someone to cover themselves, than to spend time (or extra time) in court fighting their case.

                  We have never been sued to my knowledge. And we have fired a handful of people in my tenure.

                  Ok? You still need it if you do.

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                    flaxking
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                    Some companies that invested heavily into company culture might be worried about how to make the transition to remote and keep the same company culture. It can be hard to have the equivalent of music events, beer on tap, etc.

                    The reality is that company culture would not stay the same, a new remote company culture based on the ashes of the old culture has to be created.

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce @flaxking
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                      @flaxking said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                      Some companies that invested heavily into company culture might be worried about how to make the transition to remote and keep the same company culture. It can be hard to have the equivalent of music events, beer on tap, etc.

                      The reality is that company culture would not stay the same, a new remote company culture based on the ashes of the old culture has to be created.

                      I suppose in those cases they better get started with the transition.

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                        Carnival Boy @Obsolesce
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                        Humans work better in teams and teams work better face to face rather than remote. I'm pretty sure this is a fact.

                        I agree with Google. Do people need to be in the office every day? Of course not. Is it better if they live within commuting distance of the office and go in regularly? I'm sure it is.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender
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                          yeah, the whole social aspect is the question.

                          I think if the work day cut down to say 5-6 hours instead of 8, where you're jobbed-out focused on work because there are few to no distractions when you're at home (yeah right) compared to the drop into your cube conversations, or water cooler talk, etc... and giving those BS hours back to people might be the difference.

                          but who the hell knows?

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                          • ObsolesceO
                            Obsolesce @Carnival Boy
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                            @carnival-boy said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                            I'm sure it is.

                            Maybe you are sure, but experts and a study with data from over 3.1 million workers are sure sure you're wrong.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/04/remote-work-longer-days

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                              flaxking
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                              At my new job we estimate 5/8 hours in a day for spending on your actual work.

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @Obsolesce
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                                @obsolesce said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                @carnival-boy said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                I'm sure it is.

                                Maybe you are sure, but experts and a study with data from over 3.1 million workers are sure sure you're wrong.

                                https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/04/remote-work-longer-days

                                The linked article does not say jack shit about what he was talking about

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                                • IRJI
                                  IRJ
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                                  Update in 2022... The job market is still as hot as it was last year, and it's still your fault for being with a shitty employer.

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                                  • ObsolesceO
                                    Obsolesce @IRJ
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                                    @irj said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                    Update in 2022... The job market is still as hot as it was last year, and it's still your fault for being with a shitty employer.

                                    I see more fully remote jobs available now than ever.

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                                      flaxking
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                                      I got a 20% raise and I'm pretty sure I could get a lot more in this job market.

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                                      • pmonchoP
                                        pmoncho @Dashrender
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                                        @dashrender said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                        yeah, the whole social aspect is the question.

                                        I think if the work day cut down to say 5-6 hours instead of 8, where you're jobbed-out focused on work because there are few to no distractions when you're at home (yeah right) compared to the drop into your cube conversations, or water cooler talk, etc... and giving those BS hours back to people might be the difference.

                                        but who the hell knows?

                                        Found this post today from 9/21

                                        https://www.atlassian.com/blog/teamwork/4-day-workweek-productivity-wellbeing-results

                                        Your idea is not that far fetched. It looks like it can have some good results also.

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                                        • dave247D
                                          dave247
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                                          Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

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                                          • JaredBuschJ
                                            JaredBusch @dave247
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                                            @dave247 said in Staying at your shitty employer is your fault:

                                            Where is everyone searching for quality IT job postings these days?

                                            Word of mouth. I've never gotten a good job from a random posting.

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