Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature
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my god this thread is going on a tangent.
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@hobbit666 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
my god this thread is going on a tangent.
Not really, this is just organic conversation based on the topic.
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Nah, as this is a public forum, forum as in space. You have to expect people to use societally accepted definitions.
A PC is a computer that sits on a desk, a laptop/notebook is like a PC but you can carry it. An iPad is an iPad. A tablet is like an iPad but it's not an iPad.
It just won't work if we all have to sit back and consider what person A considers to be a laptop, then what person B considers to be a laptop and so on.
Me, I have no doubt whatsoever that Windows dwarfs *nix on all consumer platforms. I don't live in the US, but I've never heard of a large scale roll out of *nix desktops in a corporation.
I'm not anti *nix, I'll learn and support whatever the predominant infrastructure is, that's just my business model. I was a Novell MCNE, Novell died off, so I became a MS MCNE. I hope I retire before I need to become a *nix guru.
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@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
You have to expect people to use societally accepted definitions.
You've met @scottalanmiller right?
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@JaredBusch said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
You have to expect people to use societally accepted definitions.
You've met @scottalanmiller right?
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@JaredBusch said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
You have to expect people to use societally accepted definitions.
You've met @scottalanmiller right?
haha, no I haven't, but he better look out :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:
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@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
A PC is a computer that sits on a desk
A RPi sits on a desk, or under it. An Intel NUC sits on a desk or under it.
A laptop is often sat on a desk.
What's the difference?
The only difference is the form factor and features of the different forms. This doesn't change that these are all personal computers which can be used at a desktop.
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@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
A PC is a computer that sits on a desk
A RPi sits on a desk, or under it. An Intel NUC sits on a desk or under it.
A laptop is often sat on a desk.
What's the difference?
The only difference is the form factor and features of the different forms. This doesn't change that these are all personal computers which can be used at a desktop.
I was trying to point out that terms should be taken on face value when things are discussed in open environments such as these forums for example.
Who'd ever think that you were talking about a R Pi if you just walked up to someone and said "I upgraded my PC on the weekend, it runs so much better now" would you honestly think they'd reply with "Oh, your R Pi, your NUC, your desktop or your laptop?"
This sort of difficultness is why IT people have a bad rep in society. Why do you think the IT guy always gets killed in movies? They're just too bloody hard to get along with.
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@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I upgraded my PC on the weekend, it runs so much better now
This is the exact verbiage I'm discussing though. You're using the marketing term "PC" as a definition for a product. Likely a tower design computer that is running windows.
If you said "I upgraded my computer this weekend, it runs so much better now" it leaves room for questions rather than creating ambiguity. A person could follow up with "Oh, what did you upgrade too, new ram, new CPU, new GPU, updated the OS?"
If you were to say the same upgrade line about a iPad people would assume you updated iOS. But that is a miscommunication on the recipient side of the conversation. Because upgrading != updating.
An iPad has no components to upgrade to be faster, you're stuck on the hardware you have.
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@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I upgraded my PC on the weekend, it runs so much better now
This is the exact verbiage I'm discussing though. You're using the marketing term "PC" as a definition for a product. Likely a tower design computer that is running windows.
If you said "I upgraded my computer this weekend, it runs so much better now" it leaves room for questions rather than creating ambiguity. A person could follow up with "Oh, what did you upgrade too, new ram, new CPU, new GPU, updated the OS?"
If you were to say the same upgrade line about a iPad people would assume you updated iOS. But that is a miscommunication on the recipient side of the conversation. Because upgrading != updating.
An iPad has no components to upgrade to be faster, you're stuck on the hardware you have.
If someone told me they upgraded their ipad - I would assume thought bought a new one.. though calling that an upgrade is just weird.. but people say and do weird things all time.
I would never consider someone upgrading their ipad to mean updating the software on it. Of course I say that and upgrading Windows would mean moving from one version to another.. something that for the lay person no longer exists in the windows 10 arena... of course us in IT understand the new major CU's are upgrades, lay persons definitely don't.. they see them only as updates to something they already have, where if the version were changing to Windows 11 or 12, etc.. then they would understand it's a new version... a la upgrade. -
@Dashrender said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I would never consider someone upgrading their ipad to mean updating the software on it.
But that's the defining piece of information. You know that you can't upgrade the CPU in an iPad. But so many people use the words interchangeably that these basic definitions get messed up when trying to have a conversation.
"You upgraded to the 22" rims, damn!"
"You updated the color of the LEDs on your car, cool"You would never say "I upgrade the color of my cars LEDs" if you were just changing the color.
I know these are drastic examples, but that's what it takes to explain this.
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I have met dozens of companies in my country (few, banks, few ISPs), and I do not know of single one that uses Linux for their desktops or laptops.
Besides me and my family, I can't think of anyone that uses Linux on their desktops or laptops.
Even I still use Windows most of time (becuase of Excel and few other great apps I miss on Linux)Server installations are different story, of course
(sorry for late reply)
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@Mario-Jakovina said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I have met dozens of companies in my country (few, banks, few ISPs), and I do not know of single one that uses Linux for their desktops or laptops.
That's what's being discussed, who is using a Linux Desktop - few as we've discussed repeatedly.
Besides me and my family, I can't think of anyone that uses Linux on their desktops or laptops.
Even I still use Windows most of time (becuase of Excel and few other great apps I miss on Linux)I don't know that I would call Excel a great app. IMO it's mediocre at, while I agree it has some features other spreadsheet solutions are adding these too.
Server installations are different story, of course
Yeah, even Microsoft says that Linux servers are deployed more than any other OS in Azure. I'm certain AWS, Alibaba etc are all the same.
(sorry for late reply)
No worries.
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@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@Mario-Jakovina said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I have met dozens of companies in my country (few, banks, few ISPs), and I do not know of single one that uses Linux for their desktops or laptops.
That's what's being discussed, who is using a Linux Desktop - few as we've discussed repeatedly.
Besides me and my family, I can't think of anyone that uses Linux on their desktops or laptops.
Even I still use Windows most of time (becuase of Excel and few other great apps I miss on Linux)I don't know that I would call Excel a great app. IMO it's mediocre at, while I agree it has some features other spreadsheet solutions are adding these too.
Server installations are different story, of course
Yeah, even Microsoft says that Linux servers are deployed more than any other OS in Azure. I'm certain AWS, Alibaba etc are all the same.
(sorry for late reply)
No worries.
Did you know that you could have kept this thread cleaner and more readable, increased your post count more, and made it easier to reply to if you would have split your post into like 10 separate posts?
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@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I don't know that I would call Excel a great app. IMO it's mediocre at, while I agree it has some features other spreadsheet solutions are adding these too.
I do not see any other spreadsheet that matches (or outperforms) Excel.
In our company we use Excel and LibreOffice Calc as spreadsheets, but Excel is better for us.
We also tried Onlyoffice, but we were not satisfied very soon. -
@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
Did you know that you could have kept this thread cleaner and more readable, increased your post count more, and made it easier to reply to if you would have split your post into like 10 separate posts?
Sure but that would be a dick move since I'm not trying to increase my post count. Each of the points I brought out are worthy of discussing on their own.
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@Mario-Jakovina said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I don't know that I would call Excel a great app. IMO it's mediocre at, while I agree it has some features other spreadsheet solutions are adding these too.
I do not see any other spreadsheet that matches (or outperforms) Excel.
In our company we use Excel and LibreOffice Calc as spreadsheets, but Excel is better for us.
We also tried Onlyoffice, but we were not satisfied very soon.Yeah, I agree that none of the other office suites look as nice or include the same features as Microsoft's offering. LibreOffice is getting close but it still has some lacking features.
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@Mario-Jakovina said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I don't know that I would call Excel a great app. IMO it's mediocre at, while I agree it has some features other spreadsheet solutions are adding these too.
I do not see any other spreadsheet that matches (or outperforms) Excel.
In our company we use Excel and LibreOffice Calc as spreadsheets, but Excel is better for us.
We also tried Onlyoffice, but we were not satisfied very soon.We use OpenOffice Calc and Excel, and Calc is superior in handling csv files for instance.
It's also a cross platform application, which Excel is not.
So there are a number of areas where Excel clearly can't match the performance. -
@Pete-S said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@Mario-Jakovina said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I don't know that I would call Excel a great app. IMO it's mediocre at, while I agree it has some features other spreadsheet solutions are adding these too.
I do not see any other spreadsheet that matches (or outperforms) Excel.
In our company we use Excel and LibreOffice Calc as spreadsheets, but Excel is better for us.
We also tried Onlyoffice, but we were not satisfied very soon.We use OpenOffice Calc and Excel, and Calc is superior in handling csv files for instance.
It's also a cross platform application, which Excel is not.
So there are a number of areas where Excel clearly can't match the performance.If I somehow need Excel specifically, on an unsupported platform, I use it in the web browser.
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@Obsolesce That's not the same solution at all, even if its mostly compatible.
For instance you can't open password protected documents in Web version.
