Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature
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@Obsolesce said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@Obsolesce That's an insane
tabledesk lol...How else do you get 3 laptops to fit on a desk?
I use an aircraft carrier, I have so much room to spread out.
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@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@Dashrender said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
We were never talking about desktop computers... maybe some post someone made did, but I thought the whole discussion was around PCs, and Scott specifically narrowed it to Laptops.
So what the fuck is this about?
@Dashrender said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I'm also wondering why Scott is including R Pi's as PCs? They aren't. Scott's been telling us the PC spec is XYZ for a decade, clearly the R Pi doesn't qualify for that spec. Nor does the M1 based stuff.
PCs, specifically - not Desktops, you can call anything you want a desktop, but PC has a very specific set of requirements - that's at least what scott has been saying for years.
Now me personally - a laptop is a portable PC. An iPad with a keyboard is not a laptop, nor is an iPad Pro with keyboard... but whatever.
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@Dashrender said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@Dashrender said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
We were never talking about desktop computers... maybe some post someone made did, but I thought the whole discussion was around PCs, and Scott specifically narrowed it to Laptops.
So what the fuck is this about?
@Dashrender said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
I'm also wondering why Scott is including R Pi's as PCs? They aren't. Scott's been telling us the PC spec is XYZ for a decade, clearly the R Pi doesn't qualify for that spec. Nor does the M1 based stuff.
PCs, specifically - not Desktops, you can call anything you want a desktop, but PC has a very specific set of requirements - that's at least what scott has been saying for years.
Now me personally - a laptop is a portable PC. An iPad with a keyboard is not a laptop, nor is an iPad Pro with keyboard... but whatever.
Again, I've said Scott is wrong here.
Here's the definition of "Personal computer" from Oxford
Dictionary Search for a word per·son·al com·pu·ter /ˈpərs(ə)n(ə)l kəmˈpyo͞odər/ noun a computer designed for use by one person at a time. Definitions from Oxford Languages -
Now when you use the term Desktop Computer and Personal Computer (PC) do you envision 2 or more people sitting in the same chair using the same HID's to interact with the system in front of them? No, because that would be stupid.
A Personal Computer or Desktop Computer are by definition and use, the same thing, regardless of the form-factor and revolves around intended use cases.
Nothing to do with what you're describing.
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Just because Microsoft marketed the shit out of "Personal Computer" doesn't mean a damn thing. Use the accepted definition of the words you're using and this becomes very simple to understand.
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And at the same time, if you install a RPI to operate a server OS for use with multiple users, then it also qualifies as a server.
serv·er /ˈsərvər/ Learn to pronounce See definitions in: All Restaurants Religion Furniture Computing noun 1. a person or thing that provides a service or commodity. 2. a computer or computer program which manages access to a centralized resource or service in a network. "the software runs on a variety of Unix servers" Definitions from Oxford Languages -
Which all of this combined by definition, a PC, Desktop Computer or Server is based on intended use. None of the marketing crap that is used for laymen terms to sell to a customer.
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Please stop arguing with me - my comments where intended toward Scott and his desired inclusion of R Pi's when we were talking about PCs previously (and him more specifically about laptops).
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@Dashrender said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
Now me personally - a laptop is a portable PC. An iPad with a keyboard is not a laptop, nor is an iPad Pro with keyboard... but whatever.
An iPad (or any other tablet) by the definitions I've listed is a personal computer. The same is true for a cell phone. Because it's intended that a single user will use the device at a time.
If you were to change OS on the iPad (or any other tablet) to something that would "centralize resources or services in a network" then you have a server, even if the form-factor is horrible for the use case. Because "you" intend to use an iPad as a server. Is it stupid, sure, but if you built an OS to make an iPad act as a server, you have a server.
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@Dashrender said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
Please stop arguing with me - my comments where intended toward Scott and his desired inclusion of R Pi's when we were talking about PCs previously (and him more specifically about laptops).
I'm not arguing with you, I'm informing you by force to realize that Scott is wrong in this case by the accepted definitions of the terms being discussed.
Just let the information into your heart and soul.
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@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@Dashrender said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
Please stop arguing with me - my comments where intended toward Scott and his desired inclusion of R Pi's when we were talking about PCs previously (and him more specifically about laptops).
I'm not arguing with you, I'm informing you by force to realize that Scott is wrong in this case by the accepted definitions of the terms being discussed.
Just let the information into your heart and soul.
Hey I completely agree with you - that's not the point. When conversing with Scott, you generally have to bring things back to his accepted situation.... which is all I was doing.
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my god this thread is going on a tangent.
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@hobbit666 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
my god this thread is going on a tangent.
Not really, this is just organic conversation based on the topic.
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Nah, as this is a public forum, forum as in space. You have to expect people to use societally accepted definitions.
A PC is a computer that sits on a desk, a laptop/notebook is like a PC but you can carry it. An iPad is an iPad. A tablet is like an iPad but it's not an iPad.
It just won't work if we all have to sit back and consider what person A considers to be a laptop, then what person B considers to be a laptop and so on.
Me, I have no doubt whatsoever that Windows dwarfs *nix on all consumer platforms. I don't live in the US, but I've never heard of a large scale roll out of *nix desktops in a corporation.
I'm not anti *nix, I'll learn and support whatever the predominant infrastructure is, that's just my business model. I was a Novell MCNE, Novell died off, so I became a MS MCNE. I hope I retire before I need to become a *nix guru.
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@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
You have to expect people to use societally accepted definitions.
You've met @scottalanmiller right?
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@JaredBusch said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
You have to expect people to use societally accepted definitions.
You've met @scottalanmiller right?
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@JaredBusch said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
You have to expect people to use societally accepted definitions.
You've met @scottalanmiller right?
haha, no I haven't, but he better look out :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:
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@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
A PC is a computer that sits on a desk
A RPi sits on a desk, or under it. An Intel NUC sits on a desk or under it.
A laptop is often sat on a desk.
What's the difference?
The only difference is the form factor and features of the different forms. This doesn't change that these are all personal computers which can be used at a desktop.
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@DustinB3403 said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
@siringo said in Is Open Source Really So Much More Secure By Nature:
A PC is a computer that sits on a desk
A RPi sits on a desk, or under it. An Intel NUC sits on a desk or under it.
A laptop is often sat on a desk.
What's the difference?
The only difference is the form factor and features of the different forms. This doesn't change that these are all personal computers which can be used at a desktop.
I was trying to point out that terms should be taken on face value when things are discussed in open environments such as these forums for example.
Who'd ever think that you were talking about a R Pi if you just walked up to someone and said "I upgraded my PC on the weekend, it runs so much better now" would you honestly think they'd reply with "Oh, your R Pi, your NUC, your desktop or your laptop?"
This sort of difficultness is why IT people have a bad rep in society. Why do you think the IT guy always gets killed in movies? They're just too bloody hard to get along with.
