Redoing Home Network
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@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
@scottalanmiller said in Redoing Home Network:
@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
I want to play with the UDM, it has the new Unifi firewall interface... very curious how it's different from USG.
https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-routing-switching/products/udm-pro
Primarily, new processor.
the specs say new Unifi OS also.
That too
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@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
Well Im sure i dont need all that but I like toys to play with and I look at it as future proofing lol.
Planning on:
Edgerouter 6p
Edgeswitch 8
Unifi Ap ProDoes that seem like a solid combo? any reason I shouldn't?
WTF
Do you have any idea why you are doing? Why would you get a router with 6 ports? It is a router not a switch. It needs a WAN port and a LAN port. Maybe an extra WAN if you have multiple internet services. You use VLAN to your switches for anything else.
All EdgeMax devices can handle wire speed throughput if all the traffic is offloaded from the CPU. But things like QoS and a few other tasks cannot be offloaded.
The ER4 is the best thing in the EdgeMax line for most. The ERL should never be considered if you have > 50 mbps and need to use the router for QoS (which you should).
I have never been able to test an ER4 with QoS enabled on a circuit faster than 200mbps. But at least up to that point it was still getting full service speed.
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@jmoore but beyond all of that, you need to ask why are you spending this much on gear at home. Are you truly going to make use of it and do IT at home?
If not you are burning cash for no reason.
Buy an Amplifi Instant mesh system and a dumb switch, then move along.
IT at home was a great concept before we had cheap hosting and other places where we can spin things up and down at will.
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@JaredBusch said in Redoing Home Network:
Do you have any idea why you are doing? Why would you get a router with 6 ports? It is a router not a switch. It needs a WAN port and a LAN port. Maybe an extra WAN if you have multiple internet services. You use VLAN to your switches for anything else.
Believe it or not i did give this some thought.(not saying its correct thought lol) I am actually surprised more people haven't given a similar reaction. i do know how much I am overbuying. I went through the products and purposely selected a good middle ground for everything. The reasons were multiple:
- I wanted it to be a learning project and I wanted to play with really good stuff and this was in my budget.
- Wife works for federal government and is permanent work at home and wanted really solid equipment so she wouldn't stress about things going down. She stresses a lot! We both wanted more professional equipment for a while, for multiple reasons.
- I know I will probably never need 6 ports on a router but again its not much money. Buying lesser equipment really wasn't that much less. It does give me room to expand in future. I already have a switch in wife's office and will be adding one to each kids room eventually. So this is a whole house project, not just my office. I also plan on experimenting with pbx's and plan on buying a supermicro server soon for more experimentation and I admit, fun.
I know I can use hosting services and I do actually on a regular basis. Since she wanted more of a business infrastructure at home and I wanted to try to replicate a business setting for learning purposes, I felt the time was right. Its not much of an investment and if I learn from something with a lot of features I would see in a better job, then it is worth it to me.
Thankyou for your comment and advice though, hardly anyone else even spoke up, so I appreciate it!
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I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.
POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
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@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.
POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.Isn't POE also better in the switches? I thought Ubiquity used some odd DIY standard for POE, at least in the past.
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@Pete-S said in Redoing Home Network:
@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.
POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.Isn't POE also better in the switches? I thought Ubiquity used some odd DIY standard for POE, at least in the past.
They still do in some places.
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@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.
POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.I already ordered the pieces. Thanks for your input though. I needed a router with 4 ports for my 4 rooms plus the incoming port. I plan to use and learn everything about it.
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@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.
POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.I already ordered the pieces. Thanks for your input though. I needed a router with 4 ports for my 4 rooms plus the incoming port. I plan to use and learn everything about it.
So each room will be its own network?
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@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
@Pete-S said in Redoing Home Network:
@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.
POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.Isn't POE also better in the switches? I thought Ubiquity used some odd DIY standard for POE, at least in the past.
They still do in some places.
Yeah, you're right. Had a look right now and ER-6P has non-standard PoE. Hopefully no one plugs in the wrong thing in a port that has PoE switched on. My guess is that the purpose with that was to power APs directly and not much else.
99% of Ubiquity's switches (except the lowest cost ones) that has PoE follows the PoE standards (802.3af, 802.3at and 802.3bt).
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@EddieJennings said in Redoing Home Network:
@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.
POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.I already ordered the pieces. Thanks for your input though. I needed a router with 4 ports for my 4 rooms plus the incoming port. I plan to use and learn everything about it.
So each room will be its own network?
Each room will have an 8-port switch because everyone has a lot of devices.
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@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@EddieJennings said in Redoing Home Network:
@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.
POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.I already ordered the pieces. Thanks for your input though. I needed a router with 4 ports for my 4 rooms plus the incoming port. I plan to use and learn everything about it.
So each room will be its own network?
Each room will have an 8-port switch because everyone has a lot of devices.
And since those switches will be going to a unique port on your router, they'll each be unique subnets (networks).
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@EddieJennings said in Redoing Home Network:
@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@EddieJennings said in Redoing Home Network:
@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
I've with JB - You should save the money and get an ER-4. The processor is the same.
POE can be done in the switches, so no need for that in the router.
The ER-4 is nearly half the ER-6.I already ordered the pieces. Thanks for your input though. I needed a router with 4 ports for my 4 rooms plus the incoming port. I plan to use and learn everything about it.
So each room will be its own network?
Each room will have an 8-port switch because everyone has a lot of devices.
And since those switches will be going to a unique port on your router, they'll each be unique subnets (networks).
It's a good idea to have small switches in each room but normally you would do it like this:
If you wanted to have different networks inside the infrastructure, you'd use VLANs.
If you wanted to use PoE devices like security cameras, IP phones etc, you'd do PoE on the access switches.
If you'd want high performance the core switch would have 10 gigabit ports.
APs could also be connected in different places, for instance on the access switches. -
@Pete-S I think my plan is similar, if not the same. 1 poe switch in each office and 1 in each bedroom. That makes 4 switches. I only need 1 ap for my size house. I plan on adding IP phones in each office and bedroom. I don't want them to have cell phones yet. The main difference in my plan is that I'm not doing vlans off my main switch, I plan on different subnets like Eddie mentioned. I want all the switches to have poe because I'm adding IP phones eventually. I have tried to plan for everything but I'm sure there's something I forgot.
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@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@Pete-S I think my plan is similar, if not the same. 1 poe switch in each office and 1 in each bedroom. That makes 4 switches. I only need 1 ap for my size house. I plan on adding IP phones in each office and bedroom. I don't want them to have cell phones yet. The main difference in my plan is that I'm not doing vlans off my main switch, I plan on different subnets like Eddie mentioned. I want all the switches to have poe because I'm adding IP phones eventually. I have tried to plan for everything but I'm sure there's something I forgot.
Multiple subnets in your home?
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@scottalanmiller said in Redoing Home Network:
@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@Pete-S I think my plan is similar, if not the same. 1 poe switch in each office and 1 in each bedroom. That makes 4 switches. I only need 1 ap for my size house. I plan on adding IP phones in each office and bedroom. I don't want them to have cell phones yet. The main difference in my plan is that I'm not doing vlans off my main switch, I plan on different subnets like Eddie mentioned. I want all the switches to have poe because I'm adding IP phones eventually. I have tried to plan for everything but I'm sure there's something I forgot.
Multiple subnets in your home?
I've got 5 different subnets at home right now. It'll be 4 when I get my home lab rebuilt.
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Home lab (being removed once rebuild happens)
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Work wired
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Work wireless
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IoT junk
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Main/everything else
The work networks are also on their own VLAN. I could probably combine the two work networks at this point, but whatever.
Overkill for home, oh yeah. For working from home as an IT Pro, it's just baseline
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Multiple subnets in your home?
I have 3 subnets at home. Main, IoT, and guest.
I need to upgrade to the ER4. My ERLite has been great so far though. My ISP connection is 120/5. -
@scottalanmiller said in Redoing Home Network:
@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@Pete-S I think my plan is similar, if not the same. 1 poe switch in each office and 1 in each bedroom. That makes 4 switches. I only need 1 ap for my size house. I plan on adding IP phones in each office and bedroom. I don't want them to have cell phones yet. The main difference in my plan is that I'm not doing vlans off my main switch, I plan on different subnets like Eddie mentioned. I want all the switches to have poe because I'm adding IP phones eventually. I have tried to plan for everything but I'm sure there's something I forgot.
Multiple subnets in your home?
Yeah I'd like to segregate government traffic from wife, gaming traffic from kids, from my own stuff. Since the router has multiple ports I think it will be easier to just use different subnets( 1 on each router port). Vlans might be easier but I also want to do it like this for the challenge. Im sure I can figure it out if it isnt dead simple anyway. After looking at the router I will know more. Now if I'm doing something completely stupid just say so.
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@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
@jmoore said in Redoing Home Network:
@Dashrender said in Redoing Home Network:
Unifi APs are the only Ubiquiti option, so not any choices to really make there.
Unifi has newer firewalls in that line that have a new OS, haven't seen it yet to know if it's better than what's on the USG (which mostly just sucks).
The USG should be able to handle 1 Gb as long as you aren't doing any filtering/QOSing, if yes, then you'll need more processing power.
Part of the issue is that I cant tell whats newer or older on their product page. I looked at specs and picked best cpu/memory option that has poe and thats what looks like the best. I could be way off. Never ordered from them before.
yeah, I heard ya, but in general that part doesn't really matter, as you've already done, it's more about getting the cpu needed for your end goal.
Well Im sure i dont need all that but I like toys to play with and I look at it as future proofing lol.
Planning on:
Edgerouter 6p
Edgeswitch 8
Unifi Ap ProDoes that seem like a solid combo? any reason I shouldn't?
Are you sure that the AP isn't EOL? https://community.ui.com/questions/Announcement-EOL-for-some-UniFi-AP-models/65487283-ce9d-49f4-85b9-b6aa54659ef7
You're going to want a ubuntu server to control and program the single AP (a single point of failure, btw) which is a waste. You're ordering one AP with the rest of the network unmatched. Like buying 1 monster wheel and three regular tires for your Honda Accord. Either get an AP that matches the rest of the system, or get the rest of the Ubiquiti equipment. It's designed to work together. You're literally building a broken network. You'll need this tool for that section of equipment and another tool for another section, and you'll have to use an inline PoE because you opted for complex networking and you'll be using more electricity per year.
The Ubiquiti USG can handle 1gig connections without a problem. I have mine going to a 100mbit connection, but it can scale up if I pay my ISP. The integration was not effortless due to some quirks from the ISP. Rock solid now, though, and I get the benefit on the dashboard and other software defined options. It is also worth noting that the older AP, an AP-LR, requires a 24v PoE, and this is defined in my switch by the dashboard software.
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@Grey said in Redoing Home Network:
Are you sure that the AP isn't EOL? https://community.ui.com/questions/Announcement-EOL-for-some-UniFi-AP-models/65487283-ce9d-49f4-85b9-b6aa54659ef7
My model isn't on that list.
