Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors
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@VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
Proxmox
Proxmox is just KVM. But we generally avoid it because we've run into some serious ethics and professionalism problems with the company over on
community. Super sketchy business practices, very scammy and I'd never let their software or support into my shop.The idea is weird.. KVM and LXC on the same box with all this extra layers that are just asking for things to go wrong when you get all the features really without Proxmox involved.
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
Super sketchy business practices, very scammy
Care to explain?
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
Proxmox
Proxmox is just KVM. But we generally avoid it because we've run into some serious ethics and professionalism problems with the company over on
community. Super sketchy business practices, very scammy and I'd never let their software or support into my shop.The idea is weird.. KVM and LXC on the same box with all this extra layers that are just asking for things to go wrong when you get all the features really without Proxmox involved.
But you don't get them. ProxMox has a REST API, and a GUI which a lot of places still want to manage your systems.
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@VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
Super sketchy business practices, very scammy
Care to explain?
Yeah I've never seen the ethics issues that are always mentioned.
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
KVM and LXC on the same box
I do that with Fedora and Ubuntu too.
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The thing that annoys me about Promox WebUI is that subscription popup after login or running updates. You would normally just have to change a setting in file but now its more work.
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@black3dynamite said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
The thing that annoys me about Promox WebUI is that subscription popup after login or running updates. You would normally just have to change a setting in file but now its more work.
Yeah. I mean I get that people don't like that, but their product is valid.
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I don't use their stuff, I just use the cli because I can automate that with Ansible or Terraform or whatever, but I'd love to have a REST API for bare KVM. Doesn't even need a GUI, it would just make interacting with systems so much easier.
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@stacksofplates said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@black3dynamite said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
The thing that annoys me about Promox WebUI is that subscription popup after login or running updates. You would normally just have to change a setting in file but now its more work.
Yeah. I mean I get that people don't like that, but their product is valid.
I agree that the product is valid too. I was using Proxmox along time ago. And once awhile I install it to see any new progress with it.
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@black3dynamite said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
The thing that annoys me about Promox WebUI is that subscription popup after login or running updates. You would normally just have to change a setting in file but now its more work.
It’s super easy
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@VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
Super sketchy business practices, very scammy
Care to explain?
They'd send armies of employees to write fake reviews to promote the product. And get really belligerent when caught doing it.
That said, it's been a long time and ProxMox having things like built in backups is a big freaking deal.
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@VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@black3dynamite said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
The thing that annoys me about Promox WebUI is that subscription popup after login or running updates. You would normally just have to change a setting in file but now its more work.
It’s super easy
Certainly. The web interface has always been nice. And while I generally see KVM and LXC on the same box as mostly weird, having a single interface for systems that could be either/or is nice. Learn one thing or train people on just one thing (we use both, just not on the same boxes.)
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@stacksofplates said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
I don't use their stuff, I just use the cli because I can automate that with Ansible or Terraform or whatever, but I'd love to have a REST API for bare KVM. Doesn't even need a GUI, it would just make interacting with systems so much easier.
I find it surprising that there is much concern for this on smaller scale systems like where this would be common. A really nice feature enhancement, to be sure, but surprised to see it as something many people would care about.
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
Easily managed from a remote location, either through NAT in a firewall, or directly - through a VPN.
KVM really shines here. I've not seen anything come close.
Which Linux do you prefer to use for KVM installs?
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@JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
Easily managed from a remote location, either through NAT in a firewall, or directly - through a VPN.
KVM really shines here. I've not seen anything come close.
Which Linux do you prefer to use for KVM installs?
We are using Fedora 31 currently. But are going to test out Ubuntu. Either would really be fine. KVM is something that I want way more than most things to be very current.
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@VoIP_n00b said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
Proxmox
Been a long time. Giving it a try now that they (the company) have been silent and behaving well for so long. Seeing if maybe they just had a bad week or something.
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@stacksofplates said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
I don't use their stuff, I just use the cli because I can automate that with Ansible or Terraform or whatever, but I'd love to have a REST API for bare KVM. Doesn't even need a GUI, it would just make interacting with systems so much easier.
I find it surprising that there is much concern for this on smaller scale systems like where this would be common. A really nice feature enhancement, to be sure, but surprised to see it as something many people would care about.
It would make writing interactions with it much easier and make smaller scale systems much easier to manage and more popular.
Firecracker is a great example of using KVM with an API first mindset.
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@stacksofplates said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@stacksofplates said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
I don't use their stuff, I just use the cli because I can automate that with Ansible or Terraform or whatever, but I'd love to have a REST API for bare KVM. Doesn't even need a GUI, it would just make interacting with systems so much easier.
I find it surprising that there is much concern for this on smaller scale systems like where this would be common. A really nice feature enhancement, to be sure, but surprised to see it as something many people would care about.
It would make writing interactions with it much easier and make smaller scale systems much easier to manage and more popular.
Firecracker is a great example of using KVM with an API first mindset.
Oh I like the idea, for sure. And have ideas of where we could use it. But we tend to be an outlyer on that stuff.
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@JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
Easily managed from a remote location, either through NAT in a firewall, or directly - through a VPN.
KVM really shines here. I've not seen anything come close.
Which Linux do you prefer to use for KVM installs?
If you want to use Cockpit to manage your KVM, I preferred Fedora just because it always gets the latest version of Cockpit.
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@black3dynamite said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
@JasGot said in Managing Type 1 Hyper Visors:
Easily managed from a remote location, either through NAT in a firewall, or directly - through a VPN.
KVM really shines here. I've not seen anything come close.
Which Linux do you prefer to use for KVM installs?
If you want to use Cockpit to manage your KVM, I preferred Fedora just because it always gets the latest version of Cockpit.
Good point, and certainly part of what we are doing.
