Should SodiumSuite Be Open Source
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
I thought he wanted to make it a SaaS solution, not something for end users/companies to do on their own.
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@Dashrender said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
I thought he wanted to make it a SaaS solution, not something for end users/companies to do on their own.
Doesn't mean it can't be open source.
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@Dashrender said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
I thought he wanted to make it a SaaS solution, not something for end users/companies to do on their own.
Doesn't mean it can't be open source.
Depends on the language as to how much help they'd get from us I guess. But I bet there's a lot out there not in the community that would help.
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
It's been kicked around but adds a ton of complication to any monetization strategy. But has its benefits, of course. We've definitely talked about it, but the consensus thus far has been that keeping it closed makes the most sense.
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@Dashrender said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
I thought he wanted to make it a SaaS solution, not something for end users/companies to do on their own.
This is correct.
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@Dashrender said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
I thought he wanted to make it a SaaS solution, not something for end users/companies to do on their own.
Doesn't mean it can't be open source.
But so is this
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@Dashrender said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
I thought he wanted to make it a SaaS solution, not something for end users/companies to do on their own.
Doesn't mean it can't be open source.
Depends on the language as to how much help they'd get from us I guess. But I bet there's a lot out there not in the community that would help.
Really it just takes three or four people really into helping it to do a lot. But software design by committee takes a lot to manage. It's not a definite win in a situation where the software is complex enough that design meetings would be needed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
It's been kicked around but adds a ton of complication to any monetization strategy. But has its benefits, of course. We've definitely talked about it, but the consensus thus far has been that keeping it closed makes the most sense.
Seems like a weird position to take from someone who has said this before:
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
It's been kicked around but adds a ton of complication to any monetization strategy. But has its benefits, of course. We've definitely talked about it, but the consensus thus far has been that keeping it closed makes the most sense.
Monetization might be a little harder but security and trust are higher.
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
Seems like a weird position to take from someone who has said this before
Nessus' sole selling point was that it was open, on premises. Changing what made them viable is the key problem.
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@openit said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
By the way, what happened to Sodium, it was some relevant software I believe?
Being rebuilt. Company ended up with other money making projects that pushed it to the wayside when there was team turnover and it's very much in process, but there are ERP systems rolling out to production ahead of it unfortunately.
Why don't you just open source it and let others help?
It's been kicked around but adds a ton of complication to any monetization strategy. But has its benefits, of course. We've definitely talked about it, but the consensus thus far has been that keeping it closed makes the most sense.
Monetization might be a little harder but security and trust are higher.
Shouldn't be, since there isn't a guarantee that something being open is what is run in a SaaS model.
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@stacksofplates remember that SodiumSuite is a service. Talking about a service purely in terms of source is weird because it's not software. It uses software, but isn't itself software. So open source applies to components of the service, but not all of it. Nessus, however, is only software. So source applies to all of it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates remember that SodiumSuite is a service. Talking about a service purely in terms of source is weird because it's not software. It uses software, but isn't itself software. So open source applies to components of the service, but not all of it. Nessus, however, is only software. So source applies to all of it.
I'm not talking about a service purely in terms of source. I'm reiterating what you have stated before.
This applies to on prem source code and source code for services.
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
I'm reiterating what you have stated before.
You are quoting something I said about software in reference to a service. I fail to see the applicability. Why bring up what I think about Nessus software in a discussion about this service?
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
This applies to on prem source code and source code for services.
Notice that I even pointed out that I was talking about 1. software and 2. security.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
This applies to on prem source code and source code for services.
Notice that I even pointed out that I was talking about 1. software and 2. security.
It's still software that runs your service. And you've stated this before which is clearly talking about using a service that's open source.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
This applies to on prem source code and source code for services.
Notice that I even pointed out that I was talking about 1. software and 2. security.
Yes the security that's given by using open source. Not just security software.
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for free RMM kind, or at least with H/W and S/W inventory software with agent.:
It's still software that runs your service. And you've stated this before which is clearly talking about using a service that's open source.
I feel like this is stretching things, a lot. I didn't state that GitHub is open or closed, I don't know. I just know it is MS and GitLab is not. GitLab I can download and use myself. When choosing between those two essentially identical services, the addition of not being MS and also being available as open source software makes GitLab a pretty clear winner.
That's not going to be a comparison to Sodium Suite. SS doesn't have an alternative, and won't be available to download. It's not software, it's purely a service.
Bottom line, there is no consideration of making SS as a product for people to download. Open or closed, doesn't really matter as it is purely a service offering that's being considered. It's absolutely fine to not like that, it's absolutely fine to want to go make software that does the same thing. We think that the value is in being offered as a service, not in being software, and making it as software won't be monetizeable. So this line of thought isn't "hey it would be great if it was open", it's "hey, it would be great if it never got off the ground and didn't happen." Going open here isn't an option, it's just another way of saying "the project should be canceled" unless there is some magic monetization strategy that no one has thought of that you want to propose.
It's not software. It uses software. Some of that software will be open. Some almost certainly closed. But until something huge changes, SS is purely a service offering with no consideration for it to be software.
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It's no secret that I feel open source licensing is always superior to closed source for the customer when getting software. Absolutely. I stick by that. And the discussions from me above were always about software, as is clear in the quotes.
If you look around you'll also find that I've said over and over again that there are plenty of times that closed source is fine or great, and that it's about products, not licensing, at the end of the day. And if a closed source product is superior as a product, the source license improvement isn't enough to make a big difference.
No number of times quoting something we already know to be true... that open licenses are better than closed for end users of software will change anything here because I'm not disagreeing with it. Never have, never will. It's better, all other things being equal.
But there are problems with trying to make all software (or things that use software) be open. A big one is financing. Would Microsoft make MS Office if they couldn't make it closed source? No, we know that they would not have invested in it. And pretty much everyone agrees that MS Office is the best product on the market. Not worth the price tag, but the best if it were free. That the license is closed isn't enough of a problem to make it not the best. (The cost might be, though.)
So you have to balance what software you want to exist at all, with which ones you want to be open.
