Can Windows 7 Still Upgrade to Windows 10
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@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
So since money is off the table... I don't have an answer to the patch vs upgrade question.
Exactly. I can come up with ways, but they are deep under the hood and MS has removed them from normal conversation and putting them into a contract would be problematic at best.
Microsoft did this specifically for this purpose - to make it untenable to claim reasons for remaining on older systems. Upgrades and patching processes are fluid now. We are essentially on a rolling release. Not fully, not like Tumbleweed, but practically to where customers can't tell that they are not on a rolling release.
So to all end users, and most IT, Windows has no releases, no upgrades, there is only patching. So "keeping systems updated" would imply "full up to date Windows 10." That's what it means to our customers, for sure. If we aren't on Windows 10, we aren't keeping the systems updated.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
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@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Not if you use. If you have used. And are you sure that that path closed in 2018?
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@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
You can download it this moment, plug in the bootable disk to any Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 system and upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Not if you use. If you have used. And are you sure that that path closed in 2018?
you're right - if you HAVE used... yeah pretty sure they closed that door last year.
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@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
You can download it this moment, plug in the bootable disk to any Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 system and upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.
just because you can does not make it legal.
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@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
You can download it this moment, plug in the bootable disk to any Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 system and upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.
just because you can does not make it legal.
What? Look at the documentation right on Microsoft's website.
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@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
You can download it this moment, plug in the bootable disk to any Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 system and upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.
just because you can does not make it legal.
That they continue to make tools purely for that task and no other is highly suggestive that not only do they still allow it, but promote it heavily.
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@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
You can download it this moment, plug in the bootable disk to any Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 system and upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.
just because you can does not make it legal.
What? Look at the documentation right on Microsoft's website.
That's actually hard to find.
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@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Not if you use. If you have used. And are you sure that that path closed in 2018?
you're right - if you HAVE used... yeah pretty sure they closed that door last year.
Right, HAVE used prior to running the install. Not "have used heavily" or "have used often" or "have used for a long time". The requirement is that they be installed or activated and include tools that essentially everyone uses anyway, sometimes. Yes, there is a ten second process needed to make it fully legal. But it takes ten seconds, for real. And there is no record of it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
You can download it this moment, plug in the bootable disk to any Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 system and upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.
just because you can does not make it legal.
What? Look at the documentation right on Microsoft's website.
That's actually hard to find.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12435/windows-10-upgrade-faq
Looks black and white to me.
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@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
You can download it this moment, plug in the bootable disk to any Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 system and upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.
just because you can does not make it legal.
What? Look at the documentation right on Microsoft's website.
That's actually hard to find.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12435/windows-10-upgrade-faq
Looks black and white to me.
We know it was offered for a while after that, that's an out of date site is the problem. It even points to more information but the link is bad.
So not current.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
You can download it this moment, plug in the bootable disk to any Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 system and upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.
just because you can does not make it legal.
What? Look at the documentation right on Microsoft's website.
That's actually hard to find.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
https://i.imgur.com/1JwlYSt.png
It's the bottom line on the image there, it's not hidden or hard to find.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
You can download it this moment, plug in the bootable disk to any Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 system and upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.
just because you can does not make it legal.
What? Look at the documentation right on Microsoft's website.
That's actually hard to find.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12435/windows-10-upgrade-faq
Looks black and white to me.
We know it was offered for a while after that, that's an out of date site is the problem. It even points to more information but the link is bad.
So not current.
I'm not aware of any posted extension to this deadline.
If you have a link to some extension, please post it... -
@DustinB3403 dammit, you can't visit that page from Linux. It detects Linux and bans the page.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 dammit, you can't visit that page from Linux. It detects Linux and bans the page.
Eh?
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@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
just because you can does not make it legal.
THANK YOU! I said the same above but was quickly dismissed.
From a Microsoft Licensing standpoint (and of this I am 100% certain), there is no free and compliant method to upgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10 at this time.
If a computer came with a Windows 10 entitlement and downgrade rights to Windows 7, one can still "upgrade" to Windows 10 without additional cost.While the licensing server for the upgrades will still take a Windows 7 key, Microsoft does not consider this a valid entitlement / activation when it comes time for an audit (not a fake "SAM" audit, but one done through KPMG, Delloite, etc.).
Just because I left my house's front door open doesn't mean that you're entitle to all the items within. Sure, you could take them, but it doesn't mean you legally own them...
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@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Well, now we are at an odd situation - typically I would say - it requires buying a new license, but well - that's clearly off the table... MS has made upgrading because XYZ excuse still possible for free, even if it is a total gray area legally (and as far as I know, there are no court cases about people taking 'free' windows 10 upgrades after MS's announced end to the program there is no basis in my mind to claim anything but a gray situation
Program was not ended. One program was ended, but not others. The upgrade is still publicly free both legally and technically. There is no gray, stopping one upgrade path has nothing to do with others.
What path do you consider still open? Only paths I was aware of are:
- free until some date in 2016
- if you use accessibility features, free until some date in 2018
Windows 10 Media Creation tool.
You can download it this moment, plug in the bootable disk to any Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 system and upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.
just because you can does not make it legal.
What? Look at the documentation right on Microsoft's website.
That's actually hard to find.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12435/windows-10-upgrade-faq
Looks black and white to me.
We know it was offered for a while after that, that's an out of date site is the problem. It even points to more information but the link is bad.
So not current.
I'm not aware of any posted extension to this deadline.
If you have a link to some extension, please post it...Like all the other MS information, it existed but all their links are broken, including from their own documentation.
This was the "post 2017 free upgrade page".
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@manxam said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Just because I left my house's front door open doesn't mean that you're entitle to all the items within.
Not the same, this is literally giving out a key, and then verifiying that it was intentional.
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@manxam said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
While the licensing server for the upgrades will still take a Windows 7 key, Microsoft does not consider this a valid entitlement / activation when it comes time for an audit (not a fake "SAM" audit, but one done through KPMG, Delloite, etc.).
Just because I left my house's front door open doesn't mean that you're entitle to all the items within. Sure, you could take them, but it doesn't mean you legally own them...
Currently - I completely agree with you.
That said - audits through those companies could prove little more than the install date of your Windows 10 install. They can't prove if you did or didn't do the upgrade before the free upgrade expired. The only ones that can do that is MS themselves - and that assumes they are tracking the digital entitlement they granted you, AND that MS will actually give up this information.
Once you have the entitlement, you can reformat and reinstall anytime as many times as you like. There's no tracking on the machine when the original upgrade entitlement was placed.
So I have no clue how KPMG, Delloite, etc would find your environment in this case.
