Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019
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@scottalanmiller said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
There is, in fact, not a single factual thing in this description, not even buried in the subtext.
If you look really really closely at the subtext there is a
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@mary said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
@xrobau I'm an intern and nothing you have listed is a special feature. I honestly thought you were a salesman or vendor on this thread.
He very well could be, thus the fervent shouting about the myths of FreeNAS and ZFS. You have to question someone when they are so impassioned about a topic, but can provide no proof.
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@scottalanmiller this is the best thread ever
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@mary said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
@scottalanmiller this is the best thread ever
Programming printers may still have this one beat. . .
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wow, what a read.. like to see Scott has also posted evidence referring to what he's posted, which I like to see as well, this really helps in the discussion. Always got to back up your claims.
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Does this somehow resemble the early days of that other tech community when "experts" would show up and get SAM'd?
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@DustinB3403 said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
@mary said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
@scottalanmiller this is the best thread ever
Programming printers may still have this one beat. . .
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So how many down votes does it take to get a pseudo-expert removed from a forum? Asking for a friend.
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@XROBAU So I don't know if you are still reading this, have abandoned the thread, or left the community, but if you are still here, I just want to tell you something....
Scott Alan Miller is probably in the top 20 storage experts IN THE WORLD. He may come off as a bit arrogant and maybe a little condescending, but at the end of the day, he really is an expert.
If you do even a modicum of research on Scott, you will find he is referenced, quoted, copied, and cloned throughout tech communities and forums around the world, and his advice and recommendations are used daily in businesses ranging from mom and pops, to Fortune 100 companies.
Companies like Change.org, Citi, Barclays, as well as hedge funds, and Wall Street firms have sought out Scott for his expertise. These companies do not take data and storage lightly, so when THEY seek out someone like Scott, you can be assured his skills and knowledge are rock solid.
Just sayin' dude
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@xrobau You lost me at " Striping and Mirroring is obviously the same."
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holy - comedy.
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@scottalanmiller said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
As a bit of a rebuttal, you're kinda getting confused and claming FreeNAS is a bunch of things it isn't. In fact, in that 'common myths' page is ... I dunno, random made up stuff?
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
So, as a Solaris administrator from way back, let's go through a couple of the misapprehensions about ZFS in that document you linked!
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
I am your guest ZFS expert! Ask me anything
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
Truly, honestly, that's not how ZFS works. I cross my heart.
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
Dude, I've been doing this for almost 30 years
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
I got my Windows cert, and CCIE, and a bunch of other things before moving into DevOps. So, please - trust me when I say I know what I'm talking about.
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
Honestly, this is where you are 100% wrong, and you refuse to listen to me.
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
But telling me I'm wrong isn't going to get you anywhere, because I know what I'm talking about here. This is my field of expertise.
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
Now, if you can take a breath, admit that you've learned something new about ZFS
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
I've been using ZFS for 15 years now, and I'm extremely confident in my knowledge.
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
I'm a sysadmin. I've done courses.
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
I now have to quote multiple things, scroll backwards and forwards, and generally waste even more of my time.
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
This is what frustrates me here - I know this stuff IN DEPTH
@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
you're trying to claim that you know this better than me, when you obviously don't. It's massively frustrating.
This is the greatest collection of "I'm smart and I'm an expert" statements I've ever seen. The more someone has to tell you how brilliant they are....
Ignorance is bliss. There's hardly any shortage of it here.
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Guys what if, just follow me here for a second, @scottalanmiller and @xrobau are actually the same person?
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@Obsolesce said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
Guys what if, just follow me here for a second, @scottalanmiller and @xrobau are actually the same person?
HA! you're not the only one who thought that.
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@Obsolesce said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
Guys what if, just follow me here for a second, @scottalanmiller and @xrobau are actually the same person?
Maybe @xrobau is the part of @scottalanmiller 's brain that can't focus and is unable to read statement-by-statement replies? Or maybe @xrobau has programmed so many printers that he is the supreme expert on everything that there is to know.
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@Obsolesce said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
Guys what if, just follow me here for a second, @scottalanmiller and @xrobau are actually the same person?
Must be, who else has time for this!
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@xrobau said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
"What?" I hear you say, "why would I want to compress and decompress my data, surely that will add an immense CPU load to my NAS!"
Holy shit dude, you're talking like Devil Bill pushing a nerve tonic at a carnival at the end of the 19th century. Do you have a top hat and magic wand too? You ignore why these things are myths and reiterate them as though they were actually true or truer (in the sense that something else also doesn't do the same). Plus you're just condescending as hell and doing so many cringy, classic bad debate tactics with people who know how to check facts, or, you know, read shit you intentionally misquote.
It's bafflingly insane taking things are said to be myths and then saying they're not myths by reiterating the myth itself.
As a major early user of ZFS, not because I believed zpool to be some fault tolerant pixie dust bullshit, but because btrfs was behind and we kept running out of inodes rather than disk space, mostly due to image storage (I ran the 4th most popular porn site on the Internet, but at one time it was 2nd).
ZFS is cool, but you have to watch it like a hawk, and that's something people like you like to essentially act like isn't the case. Since ZFS isn't like a good hardware RAID, all of your reads go right into system memory, so if you ever have any bad RAM all the magic of ZFS won't make a damn bit of difference, it will write that stuff straight to disk without any checks or just fault and degrade it's own metadata no matter how big zpool is. Snapshots! Well too bad those are broken too. Ask me how I know...
What also really sucks is you can't add disks to VDEV, but lower than that, for example with RAID 6, you can add disks and expand the RAID without destroying all your data or having to create a virtual array or something. This and the concept of resilvering drives to expand storage space is both time consuming and fraught with potential danger of fucking it all up like February.
For a filesystem which people want to claim is a good replacement for RAID (typically by acting like things it does, RAID can't do, when often RAID actually does them) that is a real pain in the ass, especially for my situation. If you have expanding data, can't get rid of it, it really sucks to have to go through hoops to expand rather than just adding another disk.
I've been dealing with it for years in a real world environment, and I'm also not IT, I'm a developer, so I don't care about the "come one, come all, take a gander at the fantastic, frip-frappity-doo-da" shit show about why since Jesus Christ and Muhammad the best thing is... ZFS. It's great, but it's not that great.
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@tonyshowoff let's step back here, what site did you run?
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@DustinB3403 said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
@tonyshowoff let's step back here, what site did you run?
You didn’t know this?
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@JaredBusch said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Revisiting ZFS and FreeNAS in 2019:
@tonyshowoff let's step back here, what site did you run?
You didn’t know this?
Obviously not, why would I have asked otherwise?
