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      Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

      @Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

      @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid/limits?:

      The issue is due to the capacity you're looking at, unless you were going with those 18TB SSD Samsung drives, which at that capacity you'd consider RAID6.

      It's 7.2k disks, only for backups.

      In something like RAID 6, imagine the time it would take to resilver even a single drive. That make drives, that slow, at that size... it could take 2-3 months easily to replace a single failed drive!

      Um no... it would take way longer. It took a 12 TB (total) RAID 5 a month and a half. It was successful, but omg no way for RAID 6 and especially not at that size.

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        DustinB3403
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        The reality is, this is just unfeasible. Without a vendor giving hardware away (and providing an extended warranty) would this budget work.

        And that's for any give component. The chassis, the drives, the MB (CPU and RAM)

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          DustinB3403
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          @scottalanmiller the goal, at least described ever so briefly is for backup storage. (presumably if the production file server(s) take a dive). Those could be OBR5 for all we know.

          Why is cloud backup not an option (besides because the boss said so)?

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            Obsolesce @DustinB3403
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            @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

            @scottalanmiller the goal, at least described ever so briefly is for backup storage. (presumably if the production file server(s) take a dive). Those could be OBR5 for all we know.

            Why is cloud backup not an option (besides because the boss said so)?

            Because that many TB cloud storage is crazy expensive for an SMB. A lot of places give free storage for archive and such, but 100+ TB of actual usage would be insane cost wise. On-prem is way cheaper, tape is also way cheaper. At that size I'd only consider Wasabi, and even at 150TB, that's $30K per year.

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              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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              @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

              Why is cloud backup not an option (besides because the boss said so)?

              Or the BIG question, why are disks being considered when tape is the logical or obvious "go to" for backups. Why did tapes get ruled out or skipped over?

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                scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                At that size I'd only consider Wasabi, and even at 150TB, that's $30K per year.

                Screenshot from 2019-04-23 15-56-55.png

                Only about $12K. Still a lot, but not AS bad.

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                  DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
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                  @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                  Because that many TB cloud storage is crazy expensive for an SMB.

                  Um. . . crazy expensive to compared to having your 1 and only working backup system die when you need it and then the business is done for?

                  At B2 the price is pretty flipping cheap per month.

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                    Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                    @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                    At that size I'd only consider Wasabi, and even at 150TB, that's $30K per year.

                    Screenshot from 2019-04-23 15-56-55.png

                    Only about $12K. Still a lot, but not AS bad.

                    My bad, forgot to move the slider.

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                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                      @Obsolesce lol

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                        Obsolesce @DustinB3403
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                        @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                        @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                        Because that many TB cloud storage is crazy expensive for an SMB.

                        Um. . . crazy expensive to compared to having your 1 and only working backup system die when you need it and then the business is done for?

                        At B2 the price is pretty flipping cheap per month.

                        How expensive would it be for the down time required to download that much damn data? Or wait to have it shipped if they do that?

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                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                          @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                          @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                          @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                          Because that many TB cloud storage is crazy expensive for an SMB.

                          Um. . . crazy expensive to compared to having your 1 and only working backup system die when you need it and then the business is done for?

                          At B2 the price is pretty flipping cheap per month.

                          How expensive would it be or the down time required to download that much damn data? Or wait to have it shipped if they do that?

                          If going down that path... how much will it cost when the QNAP doesn't work to restore the data at all 😉

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                            scottalanmiller
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                            Anyone got a quick number of what LTO would cost for this?

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                              Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                              @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                              @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                              @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                              Because that many TB cloud storage is crazy expensive for an SMB.

                              Um. . . crazy expensive to compared to having your 1 and only working backup system die when you need it and then the business is done for?

                              At B2 the price is pretty flipping cheap per month.

                              How expensive would it be or the down time required to download that much damn data? Or wait to have it shipped if they do that?

                              If going down that path... how much will it cost when the QNAP doesn't work to restore the data at all 😉

                              That was my next thought!

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                                Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                Anyone got a quick number of what LTO would cost for this?

                                I htink 5 LTO 6 would be like $30 or something like that, which is like 12TB.

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                                  DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
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                                  @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                  @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                  Because that many TB cloud storage is crazy expensive for an SMB.

                                  Um. . . crazy expensive to compared to having your 1 and only working backup system die when you need it and then the business is done for?

                                  At B2 the price is pretty flipping cheap per month.

                                  How expensive would it be for the down time required to download that much damn data? Or wait to have it shipped if they do that?

                                  Who says you need to download the entire thing? And in the worst case B2 (edit any cloud storage provider) will ship you a drive with all of your data that you'd just plug in and pull off of directly into your file share.

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                                    Obsolesce @DustinB3403
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                                    @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                    @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                    @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                    @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                    Because that many TB cloud storage is crazy expensive for an SMB.

                                    Um. . . crazy expensive to compared to having your 1 and only working backup system die when you need it and then the business is done for?

                                    At B2 the price is pretty flipping cheap per month.

                                    How expensive would it be for the down time required to download that much damn data? Or wait to have it shipped if they do that?

                                    Who says you need to download the entire thing? And in the worst case B2 will ship you a drive with all of your data that you'd just plug in and pull off of directly into your file share.

                                    You said that when you said the production filer server(s) take a dive. That implies the whole lot.

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                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      Quick numbers...

                                      HPE StoreEver LTO-7 Drive is $3,650.

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                                        DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
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                                        @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                        @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                        @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                        @DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                        @Obsolesce said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                        Because that many TB cloud storage is crazy expensive for an SMB.

                                        Um. . . crazy expensive to compared to having your 1 and only working backup system die when you need it and then the business is done for?

                                        At B2 the price is pretty flipping cheap per month.

                                        How expensive would it be for the down time required to download that much damn data? Or wait to have it shipped if they do that?

                                        Who says you need to download the entire thing? And in the worst case B2 will ship you a drive with all of your data that you'd just plug in and pull off of directly into your file share.

                                        You said that when you said the production filer server(s) take a dive. That implies the whole lot.

                                        Fair enough, but at the same time a production server taking a dive (depending on how the environment is setup) could be hosting iscsi shares into a hypervisor with a small-medium share of rarely-occasionally used data.

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                                          DustinB3403
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                                          Which would hardly be "critical to need constant and immediate access to backups" in most cases.

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                                            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:

                                            Quick numbers...

                                            HPE StoreEver LTO-7 Drive is $3,650.

                                            The tapes alone to here outweigh his budget assuming he bought only 14 tapes!

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