Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?

scottalanmiller

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

you said that HTML and CSS are not coding rather they are mark ups correct?

That is correct. They are 100% markup, no algorithms.

scottalanmiller

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

But I can build a website out of HTML from the
....
from scratch - and then mark up with CSS .
Wouldn't only CSS be considered the mark up language?

No, because HTML marks up and does nothing else. Look at the HTML. Forget that it's name has "markup language" right in it. Actually look at what it does... HTML "marks up" bits of text to say what it is.

HTML is an extension of XML, the eXtensible Markup Language. The format is identical, just HTML is more specific. The most common thing in a markup language is to tag something as being something. That's all HTML does.

scottalanmiller

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

I dont understand how software is created,
but i understand web design a bit more

Sure. That's normal because we all use software every day, but almost no one makes any, not even a little. But we all "make" documents all the time, even if we use tools like Word to do it. So the act of creating a document, and the resulting document being something we understand is common.

scottalanmiller

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

so do the 2 interchange ? I.e- writing html code for a website, and using php to write software to make a webpage within the html webpage? theoretical

Not totally sure I understand the question. I'll rephrase and see if that helps...

A website = HTML. Always, no exceptions.

A web designer writes HTML themselves.

A web developer writes software (Python, PHP, Ruby, Java, etc.) that writes HTML on the fly.

WrCombs

@scottalanmiller said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

so do the 2 interchange ? I.e- writing html code for a website, and using php to write software to make a webpage within the html webpage? theoretical

Not totally sure I understand the question. I'll rephrase and see if that helps...

A website = HTML. Always, no exceptions.

A web designer writes HTML themselves.

A web developer writes software (Python, PHP, Ruby, Java, etc.) that writes HTML on the fly.

that answers the question . The question i was going for was *can you write a html webpage, and put python, php, ruby, java, etc. into the html?

which was answered.

Obsolesce

@Pete-S said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@Pete-S said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@travisdh1 said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs Static page, stick with HTML. Dynamic stuff, PHP with MariaDB.

Most important thing when working with dynamic web pages is sanitizing any input.

I'm almost downvoting that one.

Sanitizing is for losers, binding is for winners.
:smiling_face_with_open_mouth_smiling_eyes:

LOL so rather than google it - What are the differences between Sanitizing and binding input?

is that learned from PHP?

No, it's not language specific.

The difference is how the information the user supplied (for instance in a form) enters the database.

Binding means it goes directly from a variable in the program to the database.

Other option is to use the users data and assemble an SQL statement (database language). Problem is that the user can put SQL code in the information (called SQL injection attack). To avoid that you have to sanitize the input and remove or reencode the data from the user before using it to make an SQL statement.

And this is why I suggest SoloLearn so much. Because I did not know this a year or two ago, and learned it in the comments during a SoloLearn lesson on PHP. I did a little bit of PHP back in the day but it was a good refresher.

scottalanmiller

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

The question i was going for was *can you write a html webpage, and put python, php, ruby, java, etc. into the html?

No, because HTML is only a markup language and it does not have the ability to contain arbitrary code. It CAN hold JavaScript code, that is the one language that HTML can contain. But it's isolated code inside the page.

You can also use JavaScript to make HTML, like you do with NodeJS.

WrCombs

@Obsolesce said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@Pete-S said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@Pete-S said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@travisdh1 said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs Static page, stick with HTML. Dynamic stuff, PHP with MariaDB.

Most important thing when working with dynamic web pages is sanitizing any input.

I'm almost downvoting that one.

Sanitizing is for losers, binding is for winners.
:smiling_face_with_open_mouth_smiling_eyes:

LOL so rather than google it - What are the differences between Sanitizing and binding input?

is that learned from PHP?

No, it's not language specific.

The difference is how the information the user supplied (for instance in a form) enters the database.

Binding means it goes directly from a variable in the program to the database.

Other option is to use the users data and assemble an SQL statement (database language). Problem is that the user can put SQL code in the information (called SQL injection attack). To avoid that you have to sanitize the input and remove or reencode the data from the user before using it to make an SQL statement.

And this is why I suggest SoloLearn so much. Because I did not know this a year or two ago, and learned it in the comments during a SoloLearn lesson on PHP. I did a little bit of PHP back in the day but it was a good refresher.

I really enjoy solo learn, The comments helps understanding everything that's going on.

WrCombs

@scottalanmiller said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

The question i was going for was *can you write a html webpage, and put python, php, ruby, java, etc. into the html?

No, because HTML is only a markup language and it does not have the ability to contain arbitrary code. It CAN hold JavaScript code, that is the one language that HTML can contain. But it's isolated code inside the page.

You can also use JavaScript to make HTML, like you do with NodeJS.

I gotcha,
SO understanding all of them together is a great idea?
I mean - HTML CSS JavaScript PHP (MySQL, and JQuerey) is a good idea to learn all the way around for basics of web development

WrCombs

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@scottalanmiller said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

The question i was going for was *can you write a html webpage, and put python, php, ruby, java, etc. into the html?

No, because HTML is only a markup language and it does not have the ability to contain arbitrary code. It CAN hold JavaScript code, that is the one language that HTML can contain. But it's isolated code inside the page.

You can also use JavaScript to make HTML, like you do with NodeJS.

I gotcha,
SO understanding all of them together is a great idea?
I mean - HTML CSS JavaScript PHP (MySQL, and JQuerey) is a good idea to learn all the way around for basics of web development

but It'd be better to learn python first?

jmoore

@WrCombs Depends on whether you have picked web development or programming

Obsolesce

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@scottalanmiller said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

The question i was going for was *can you write a html webpage, and put python, php, ruby, java, etc. into the html?

No, because HTML is only a markup language and it does not have the ability to contain arbitrary code. It CAN hold JavaScript code, that is the one language that HTML can contain. But it's isolated code inside the page.

You can also use JavaScript to make HTML, like you do with NodeJS.

I gotcha,
SO understanding all of them together is a great idea?
I mean - HTML CSS JavaScript PHP (MySQL, and JQuerey) is a good idea to learn all the way around for basics of web development

but It'd be better to learn python first?

Learn what you are interested in, otherwise you'll give it up too soon.

If HTML and CSS are fun, then why the hell not? Maybe after a few months or more down the road, you'll want to move on to programming languages, or maybe from doing html and CSS, you'll want to learn some Javascript to be able to do more with what you see on the web page. Then from there maybe Node.js or PHP.

It's up to you, really. If you want to do Python first, that's great too. Do what interests you.

scottalanmiller

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

I mean - HTML CSS JavaScript PHP (MySQL, and JQuerey) is a good idea to learn all the way around for basics of web development

Yes, that is true. But keep in mind that "web development" is a lot more moving parts than just "development". So learning it "first" tends to be hard because you are not just learning markup, and programming at the same time, but also learning them in the context of them interacting!

Imagine trying to learn to write a book. But do so in the context of building a Rube Goldberg machine that you trigger and it types out the book through a series of actions!

scottalanmiller

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@scottalanmiller said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

The question i was going for was *can you write a html webpage, and put python, php, ruby, java, etc. into the html?

No, because HTML is only a markup language and it does not have the ability to contain arbitrary code. It CAN hold JavaScript code, that is the one language that HTML can contain. But it's isolated code inside the page.

You can also use JavaScript to make HTML, like you do with NodeJS.

I gotcha,
SO understanding all of them together is a great idea?
I mean - HTML CSS JavaScript PHP (MySQL, and JQuerey) is a good idea to learn all the way around for basics of web development

but It'd be better to learn python first?

I think no matter what, you want to learn to program before you learn to do web development, and the best place to start learning to program is Python.

WrCombs

@scottalanmiller said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

I mean - HTML CSS JavaScript PHP (MySQL, and JQuerey) is a good idea to learn all the way around for basics of web development

Yes, that is true. But keep in mind that "web development" is a lot more moving parts than just "development". So learning it "first" tends to be hard because you are not just learning markup, and programming at the same time, but also learning them in the context of them interacting!

Imagine trying to learn to write a book. But do so in the context of building a Rube Goldberg machine that you trigger and it types out the book through a series of actions!

Okay, That makes sense, In every "web development" program and book I've seen it starts with HTML and CSS to give the writer and idea on syntax and the front end part of web pages, then it goes deeper with Javascript or Jquerery and PHP (MySQL in most cases that i've seen. although any database server would work.. right? )

WrCombs

@scottalanmiller said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@scottalanmiller said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

The question i was going for was *can you write a html webpage, and put python, php, ruby, java, etc. into the html?

No, because HTML is only a markup language and it does not have the ability to contain arbitrary code. It CAN hold JavaScript code, that is the one language that HTML can contain. But it's isolated code inside the page.

You can also use JavaScript to make HTML, like you do with NodeJS.

I gotcha,
SO understanding all of them together is a great idea?
I mean - HTML CSS JavaScript PHP (MySQL, and JQuerey) is a good idea to learn all the way around for basics of web development

but It'd be better to learn python first?

I think no matter what, you want to learn to program before you learn to do web development, and the best place to start learning to program is Python.

I can understand that

scottalanmiller

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

In every "web development" program and book I've seen it starts with HTML and CSS to give the writer and idea on syntax and the front end part of web pages, then it goes deeper with Javascript or Jquerery and PHP (MySQL in most cases that i've seen. although any database server would work.. right? )

Yes AND it is like this...

You have to learn...

PHP as the "server development language."
Databases, because you have to talk to something.
HTML / CSS because this is the "presentation markup".
JavaScript, a second programming language for doing things in the HTML.
How to tie them all together.

All very doable, but a lot to learn about all at once and keep straight which thing is doing what. And that's before we consider any frameworks, which are often used, like Laravel on PHP, and AngularJS on the front end, which is built on JQuery. The number of things you tend to learn is way higher than the necessary pieces. It gets nuts.

scottalanmiller

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

(MySQL in most cases that i've seen. although any database server would work.. right? )

That's correct. If you are writing your own PHP app, you can choose any database that you want to work with. Of any type.

WrCombs

@scottalanmiller said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

(MySQL in most cases that i've seen. although any database server would work.. right? )

That's correct. If you are writing your own PHP app, you can choose any database that you want to work with. Of any type.

And if you're not writing your own?
(just out of curiosity)

Obsolesce

@scottalanmiller said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

@WrCombs said in Where to read Code? or Best practices to Learn Code?:

The question i was going for was *can you write a html webpage, and put python, php, ruby, java, etc. into the html?

No, because HTML is only a markup language and it does not have the ability to contain arbitrary code. It CAN hold JavaScript code, that is the one language that HTML can contain. But it's isolated code inside the page.

You can also use JavaScript to make HTML, like you do with NodeJS.

And that only works because it's isolated AND because the web browser processes it. It's completely separate from Html. But, the Javascript inside the Html page can manipulate and alter the Html and CSS.... as it it can change in real time what you see on the web page after it loads.