Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
I was told that these are "fileservers" not "database servers"
that's a flat out lie. So there's that. You KNOW that MS SQL Server is running and needed. So that it is a database server is completely known and there is no way to question that.
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Hence my question of it it would work if you shut that down, to prove it had to be a database server, not only a file server.
Just because it is also a file server, doesn't give you a free database server. Otherwise, everyone would turn on file services and bypass the licensing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
I guess im confused - whats the difference between a filerserver and a database servers?
A LOT. This is just IT basics. Hold on, I'll make a post.
I just answered my own question : so correct me if I'm wrong here -
Since we are using My SQL Express we are using Database Servers .
If we weren't using SQL express ( like in old manager ) It would be a file server? -
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
Hence my question of it it would work if you shut that down, to prove it had to be a database server, not only a file server.
Just because it is also a file server, doesn't give you a free database server. Otherwise, everyone would turn on file services and bypass the licensing.
I literally just asked this quesiton
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
I guess im confused - whats the difference between a filerserver and a database servers?
What makes them different?https://mangolassi.it/topic/19222/database-server-vs-file-server-what-s-different
For easy comparison... just try using one of each. Use Microsoft's file server (literally its name is "server"). You use it by mapping a drive from another machine. Then try using SQL Server which you use by writing an application that talks to it over an API.
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
Since we are using My SQL Express we are using Database Servers .
If we weren't using SQL express ( like in old manager ) It would be a file server?The first part is easy to answer. You are using an MS SQL Server instance, so you are using a database server. Yes.
The second part is harder. We don't know what all is going on other than that one thing. It's easy to spot a clear violation. But knowing that "nothing else is wrong" is very hard, as we have no visibility into the system. BUT, if the old system communicated purely by mapped drives and used no services to communicate, then you'd be good as very limited file serving is allowed. But that's such a terrible system, that you'd "pay" in other ways.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
Since we are using My SQL Express we are using Database Servers .
If we weren't using SQL express ( like in old manager ) It would be a file server?The first part is easy to answer. You are using an MS SQL Server instance, so you are using a database server. Yes.
The second part is harder. We don't know what all is going on other than that one thing. It's easy to spot a clear violation. But knowing that "nothing else is wrong" is very hard, as we have no visibility into the system. BUT, if the old system communicated purely by mapped drives and used no services to communicate, then you'd be good as very limited file serving is allowed. But that's such a terrible system, that you'd "pay" in other ways.
I think we still use mapped drives - How else would the data get pulled in by the front of house terminals?
SO correct me here - But If I use a database server instance to compile data into folders and then use a mapped drive to send data to and from on mapped drives then wouldn't I be a fileserver using a database instance - not making it a database server? -
Another thing that can be "indicative" is ports and services. If you are using absolutely nothing but a file server, you'd expect to see only one service running (called "server" on Windows), and no ports needing to be opened. If you are running something else, you'd expect there to be some other service running and whatever service that is would presumably need port(s) open for it to communicate.
What gets difficult is if something is using the file server as its communications channel to the outside world. This is where software can play some hiding games. This would be converting the file server protocols into an API. This gets very tricky. So there are totally ways to hide other services without running a service process or exposing ports. But it is messy and silly, but could be done to "hide" from a licensing audit.
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
I think we still use mapped drives - How else would the data get pulled in by the front of house terminals?
We know you use mapped drives. That's what I'm saying that having a file server as well doesn't give you a free database server. It is the database server that violates your license, not the file server component.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
Another thing that can be "indicative" is ports and services. If you are using absolutely nothing but a file server, you'd expect to see only one service running (called "server" on Windows), and no ports needing to be opened. If you are running something else, you'd expect there to be some other service running and whatever service that is would presumably need port(s) open for it to communicate.
We use a "Ctlsvr" to run the front of house along with 'server' - would that be like what you're talking about?
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
I think we still use mapped drives - How else would the data get pulled in by the front of house terminals?
We know you use mapped drives. That's what I'm saying that having a file server as well doesn't give you a free database server. It is the database server that violates your license, not the file server component.
Oh!
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
SO correct me here - But If I use a database server instance to compile data into folders and then use a mapped drive to send data to and from on mapped drives then wouldn't I be a fileserver using a database instance - not making it a database server?
Then you are in even worse shape because this is so ridiculous a court would see it as "intent to defraud" by making a slow, terrible system that makes no sense except to attempt to hide that you are violating a license.
This would be still having a database server (can you get data from the database? Then you have a server), but coopting the file server protocols to do it turning them into an API and thereby requiring that they be licensed as a server to keep using.
No matter how you skin the cat here, it's still a cat. There is a database server, it is managing data, and it is getting that data to other machines. That another service is put into that process to hide that is bad programming practice, but doesn't change licensing. Licensing is by use and intent, not visible protocol.
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
We use a "Ctlsvr" to run the front of house along with 'server' - would that be like what you're talking about?
It might be. I don't have enough details on that particular service to know if it is or isn't. I know that that is a service of Aloha. But what I don't know is if that provides services to other machines or not. It might be a service that only does things for the machine on which it runs. We'd have to research that particular process more to know if it is only a local server (allowed on Windows 7/10) or a network server (not allowed on Windows 7/10.)
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
SO correct me here - But If I use a database server instance to compile data into folders and then use a mapped drive to send data to and from on mapped drives then wouldn't I be a fileserver using a database instance - not making it a database server?
Then you are in even worse shape because this is so ridiculous a court would see it as "intent to defraud" by making a slow, terrible system that makes no sense except to attempt to hide that you are violating a license.
This would be still having a database server (can you get data from the database? Then you have a server), but coopting the file server protocols to do it turning them into an API and thereby requiring that they be licensed as a server to keep using.
No matter how you skin the cat here, it's still a cat. There is a database server, it is managing data, and it is getting that data to other machines. That another service is put into that process to hide that is bad programming practice, but doesn't change licensing. Licensing is by use and intent, not visible protocol.
again - I might not have all of the information here to be able to tell you one way or another as this conversation goes on, I was simply asking -
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Example of local v network. If you have Spiceworks and you run it on a Windows 7 machine and you don't access it from anywhere on the network, but only exclusively use it on the local console, it is fine to run on Windows 7. But if you start accessing it from other machines on the network, it just turned into a network application server and needs Windows Server licensing for that access.
Something being a "server" doesn't require network access. We had servers long before we had networks. Windows licensing cares about something being a "network server", not just a server.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
We use a "Ctlsvr" to run the front of house along with 'server' - would that be like what you're talking about?
It might be. I don't have enough details on that particular service to know if it is or isn't. I know that that is a service of Aloha. But what I don't know is if that provides services to other machines or not. It might be a service that only does things for the machine on which it runs. We'd have to research that particular process more to know if it is only a local server (allowed on Windows 7/10) or a network server (not allowed on Windows 7/10.)
What would the difference be if it does provide the service to other PC's on the network ?
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
SO correct me here - But If I use a database server instance to compile data into folders and then use a mapped drive to send data to and from on mapped drives then wouldn't I be a fileserver using a database instance - not making it a database server?
Then you are in even worse shape because this is so ridiculous a court would see it as "intent to defraud" by making a slow, terrible system that makes no sense except to attempt to hide that you are violating a license.
This would be still having a database server (can you get data from the database? Then you have a server), but coopting the file server protocols to do it turning them into an API and thereby requiring that they be licensed as a server to keep using.
No matter how you skin the cat here, it's still a cat. There is a database server, it is managing data, and it is getting that data to other machines. That another service is put into that process to hide that is bad programming practice, but doesn't change licensing. Licensing is by use and intent, not visible protocol.
again - I might not have all of the information here to be able to tell you one way or another as this conversation goes on, I was simply asking -
I was assuming the hypothetical and answering in the matching hypothetical. If any software did this, this would be the result.
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@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
What would the difference be if it does provide the service to other PC's on the network ?
or doesnt?Local server vs. network server. Local servers are everywhere. Download Atom (the text file editor.) It's great. It also runs a full web and application server locally to do what it does. Even has a full network stack. It's a marvel of software engineering. Also a nice product.
But it doesn't talk over the network. It's all local. You can freely use it on Windows 7. No problem.
But using something like osTicket over a network turns your Windows 7 machine into a network server, and then requires Windows Server licensing.
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So consider this scenario.. because it sounds to be the basis of your point.
I have a java program that runs on my main PC, and shoots messages to my other PCs that are listening on a port.
At this point, I must throw away Windows Desktop and upgrade all of my machines to Windows Server?
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
@WrCombs said in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit - Low on Memory... Ideas?:
What would the difference be if it does provide the service to other PC's on the network ?
or doesnt?Local server vs. network server. Local servers are everywhere. Download Atom (the text file editor.) It's great. It also runs a full web and application server locally to do what it does. Even has a full network stack. It's a marvel of software engineering. Also a nice product.
But it doesn't talk over the network. It's all local. You can freely use it on Windows 7. No problem.
But using something like osTicket over a network turns your Windows 7 machine into a network server, and then requires Windows Server licensing.
Will osTicket run under IIS or does it have its own web server?
