Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?
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@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.
Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?
FFS did I say something that was confusing.
This is not an expectation generally made that a Type 1 Hypervisor can also be used as a daily driver. Persons who do this are making a case in which they need a daily driver and a Type 1 Hypervisor.
It is not the normal expectation.
I'm late to this - but I absolutely want this - hell I want this for normal users so they can be more protected.
I think you could with VDI. Just gets expensive.
Yeah - normals would love VDI if there was a super easy/cheap way to do it.
It's not THAT bad these days.
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@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.
Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?
FFS did I say something that was confusing.
This is not an expectation generally made that a Type 1 Hypervisor can also be used as a daily driver. Persons who do this are making a case in which they need a daily driver and a Type 1 Hypervisor.
It is not the normal expectation.
I'm late to this - but I absolutely want this - hell I want this for normal users so they can be more protected.
I think you could with VDI. Just gets expensive.
Yeah - normals would love VDI if there was a super easy/cheap way to do it.
There is, don't use Windows.
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@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.
Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?
FFS did I say something that was confusing.
This is not an expectation generally made that a Type 1 Hypervisor can also be used as a daily driver. Persons who do this are making a case in which they need a daily driver and a Type 1 Hypervisor.
It is not the normal expectation.
I'm late to this - but I absolutely want this - hell I want this for normal users so they can be more protected.
I think you could with VDI. Just gets expensive.
Yeah - normals would love VDI if there was a super easy/cheap way to do it.
It's not THAT bad these days.
Normal users would have a hard time paying $100/yr for it - hell I can't get normals to pay $50/yr for offsite/online backups.
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@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.
Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?
FFS did I say something that was confusing.
This is not an expectation generally made that a Type 1 Hypervisor can also be used as a daily driver. Persons who do this are making a case in which they need a daily driver and a Type 1 Hypervisor.
It is not the normal expectation.
I'm late to this - but I absolutely want this - hell I want this for normal users so they can be more protected.
I think you could with VDI. Just gets expensive.
Yeah - normals would love VDI if there was a super easy/cheap way to do it.
It's not THAT bad these days.
Normal users would have a hard time paying $100/yr for it - hell I can't get normals to pay $50/yr for offsite/online backups.
Is it that much now? I don't think so.
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@Dashrender does your vendor support VDI since that is still Windows 10?
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With VDI, could users use thin clients or Chomebooks to dramatically lower end point costs?
If so, is that worth it? Or are Windows endpoints better to lower the VDI costs?
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@scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
@Dashrender does your vendor support VDI since that is still Windows 10?
They don't specifically say. I'm guessing it would be OK because each system would be 100% independent.
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Platform to run on has no licensing cost if you don't want. Run on a normal server with KVM, Hyper-V, or Xen.
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@DustinB3403 said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@Dashrender said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
I have VMs on my local desktop with Hyper-V. Not production but they are good for a lab.
Is it your expectation to use XenServer as a desktop?
FFS did I say something that was confusing.
This is not an expectation generally made that a Type 1 Hypervisor can also be used as a daily driver. Persons who do this are making a case in which they need a daily driver and a Type 1 Hypervisor.
It is not the normal expectation.
I'm late to this - but I absolutely want this - hell I want this for normal users so they can be more protected.
I think you could with VDI. Just gets expensive.
Yeah - normals would love VDI if there was a super easy/cheap way to do it.
There is, don't use Windows.
did you miss the part where I said - normals?
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@scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
With VDI, could users use thin clients or Chomebooks to dramatically lower end point costs?
If so, is that worth it? Or are Windows endpoints better to lower the VDI costs?
This is actually something I thought I had tossed out there the other day - exactly this.
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For VDI with Windows, I believe that you only now need...
Windows 10 Pro with Software Assurance. Which is a one time cost of over $100, but an ongoing cost far less.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
Platform to run on has no licensing cost if you don't want. Run on a normal server with KVM, Hyper-V, or Xen.
OK - so you've changed my original post in the thread to talk about something else - so now my answer/and train of thought is split.
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VDA licensing is what is or was $100/year. that's for non-SA devices.
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Is @Chris around to answer?
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@scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
VDA licensing is what is or was $100/year. that's for non-SA devices.
Right - But windows 10 pro + SA = $299 + $59/yr
VDI :
1 yr : $100
2 yr : $200
3 yr : $300
4 yr : $400
5 yr : $500
6 yr : $600
7 yr : $700Windows 10 + SA
1 yr : $358
2 yr : $417
3 yr : $479
4 yr : $535
5 yr : $594
6 yr : $653
7 yr : $712It takes more than 7 years before you overcome the cost of the initial license of Windows 10 pro.
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@Dashrender said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
@scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
VDA licensing is what is or was $100/year. that's for non-SA devices.
Right - But windows 10 pro + SA = $299 + $59/yr
$188 on Open License
That makes that lower overall.
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Still not super cheap, BUT, might pay for itself in seven year in hard IT costs anyway.
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So roughly, $600 over 7 years.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
@Dashrender said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
@scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
VDA licensing is what is or was $100/year. that's for non-SA devices.
Right - But windows 10 pro + SA = $299 + $59/yr
$188 on Open License
That makes that lower overall.
You can get the base license from Open License? You're the one that keeps saying you can't get anything but upgrade licenses from Open License/Value, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does VDI Conquer the Dashrender Challenge?:
So roughly, $600 over 7 years.
The question then becomes - between cheap chrombook/Thin client devices for the users and the Server hardware on the back end - will it be cheaper? I have no idea.
I don't understand how to build a VDI infrastructure - something I've never done before. Will I have performance issues? how much RAM do I need? etc, etc, etc.
