DD-WRT
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One thing I definitely learned from this one, is that I'm going to buy my kids some used Dell servers for Christmas so they can put on their resumes that they are senior systems administrators by the time they're in middle school since owning something, instead of actually using it, defines what type of user you are.
Better get them off of Indian craigslist too and make sure they come pre-loaded with Ubuntu Desktop.
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Look at it from any other field. Let's say photography.
In photography, what you buy still matters, just like IT. As features matter, too.
There is consumer gear, this is what most people (consumers), use. Nothing wrong with that, most people are not power users in any field.
Then there are things that normal hobbyists do. They might get better consumer cameras, or flashier ones. They might tinker with the features on those cameras. But they are still using the same set of gear and features, and not approaching photography seriously. They find the camera interesting or whatever, and they like to play with it.
Then there are prosumers. They buy a different category of cameras, they treat them differently. They don't necessarily have "features" different from the consumer ones, but they work better. The "Advanced features" in this category come in the sense of speed, reliability, image quality, durability, etc. Power users in photography use those things as they differences, whereas IT uses reliability, performance, manageability, support, etc. Very similar things. This is the power user category.
Then there is truly pro gear. Again, same features. But often huge cost leaps and all of the reliability, performance, etc. improves again. Power users sometimes buy this gear because they can, but it generally doesn't make sense for non-full time professionals who don't depend on the gear for their livelihoods.
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
If "features" are how you define power user, then I agree, DD-WRT is for power users and I'd define power users as a pointless definition that has a terrible name implying that they are heavier or more serious users, because features and more serious users don't go together.
So if my POS consumer router firmware doesn't allow me to forward ports, but DD-WRT unlocks this, it wouldn't be a power user feature?
Absolutely not. It just makes it a "better consumer product."
Just because some consumer gear is really bad, and some not so bad, doesn't mean that finding a way to make really bad stuff not so bad makes you a power user. It's still consumer features and gear in the end.
I think that you're the only person here arguing that DD-WRT is consumer grade. We all understand that.
If you put a good OS on consumer grade hardware, it doesn't really matter how you see the OS.
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
Look at it from any other field. Let's say photography.
In photography, what you buy still matters, just like IT. As features matter, too.
There is consumer gear, this is what most people (consumers), use. Nothing wrong with that, most people are not power users in any field.Our professional photography people just purchased a GoPro camera and SD cards.
The camera itself is prosumer at best.
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One thing I definitely learned from this one, is that I'm going to buy my kids some used Dell servers for Christmas so they can put on their resumes that they are senior systems administrators by the time they're in middle school since owning something, instead of actually using it, defines what type of user you are.
So you totally missed everything. Remember when I said the choosing and acquiring process?
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
If you put a good OS on consumer grade hardware, it doesn't really matter how you see the OS.
So installing Fedora server with the KVm role on a desktop that a business has and runs their business from with a good backup plan and system design makes them still not a business?
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
If "features" are how you define power user, then I agree, DD-WRT is for power users and I'd define power users as a pointless definition that has a terrible name implying that they are heavier or more serious users, because features and more serious users don't go together.
So if my POS consumer router firmware doesn't allow me to forward ports, but DD-WRT unlocks this, it wouldn't be a power user feature?
Absolutely not. It just makes it a "better consumer product."
Just because some consumer gear is really bad, and some not so bad, doesn't mean that finding a way to make really bad stuff not so bad makes you a power user. It's still consumer features and gear in the end.
I think that you're the only person here arguing that DD-WRT is consumer grade. We all understand that.
He is the only person arguing that it must be consumer grade because any IT Pro would insist and purchase Ubiquiti, otherwise they must be a hobbyist since businesses can't have a "we can't afford to do business" level of thinking.
On something business class. Ubiquiti is just an example. I'm saying a real BUSINESS would listen to IT.
You are mixing concepts. A power user in the IT sense is what the IT person woudl do themselves, not what their business allows them to do.
Don't confuse the actions of the person with teh actions of the business.
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One thing I definitely learned from this one, is that I'm going to buy my kids some used Dell servers for Christmas so they can put on their resumes that they are senior systems administrators by the time they're in middle school since owning something, instead of actually using it, defines what type of user you are.
Now, other than pointing out that you completely missed what I had said... if you want your kids to have stronger resumes, the kind of equipment that they use absolutely makes a difference. It's mind blowing how differently hiring managers treat you when your experience is on an enterprise class server (even an old one) compared to a Raspberry Pi. What you use does quite a lot to change how you approach it, how it works, and mostly how other people see it.
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@scottalanmiller you're qualifying the person with the business's decision.
The person said use X, the business said install DD-WRT. Therefore in your mind the person is a hobbyist who is paid by a business.
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
Look at it from any other field. Let's say photography.
In photography, what you buy still matters, just like IT. As features matter, too.
There is consumer gear, this is what most people (consumers), use. Nothing wrong with that, most people are not power users in any field.Our professional photography people just purchased a GoPro camera and SD cards.
The camera itself is prosumer at best.
I assume you mean videography, as GoPro is pretty hard to use as a photography device. You CAN, but no one does. It's pretty high end for Prosumer, though. GoPro is extremely good gear that sits at the top end of ProSumer. For fixed lens, wide angle, sports gear it is nearly the best on the market.
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@scottalanmiller We have both a video and still departments that interchange personal.
In any scenario I would consider GoPro, prosumer at best. But I'm also not an expert on videography or photography. But as a device they seem ridiculous. On par with using a Raspberry Pi in my opinion.
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
If you put a good OS on consumer grade hardware, it doesn't really matter how you see the OS.
So installing Fedora server with the KVm role on a desktop that a business has and runs their business from with a good backup plan and system design makes them still not a business?
Alone? No, of course not. You need holistic thinking. I think that that is the big take away here.
I'm looking at big pictures of behavior and decision making. You guys are looking for a button that someone can press to be upgraded to a "pro" or "power user." it doesn't work that way.
I keep saying you need to buy business gear and treat it like a business would. And you guys repeat back things like "just buy this thing." Clearly missing the big picture.
Linus Tech Tips is a great example of hobbyist. Putting lots of drives in RAID 5 doesn't make you a power user, even though a consumer would never use RAID. It just makes it silly.
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller you're qualifying the person with the business's decision.
No, the opposite. I'm qualifying the hobbyist vs. power user by what they do at home.
I'm qualifying hobby business vs serious business by what the company does.
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
In any scenario I would consider GoPro, prosumer at best. But I'm also not an expert on videography or photography. But as a device they seem ridiculous. On par with using a Raspberry Pi in my opinion.
This is a weird stance. What fixed lens, wide angle, ruggedized, portal videography equipment do you feel so outshines GoPro?
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
In any scenario I would consider GoPro, prosumer at best. But I'm also not an expert on videography or photography. But as a device they seem ridiculous. On par with using a Raspberry Pi in my opinion.
This is a weird stance. What fixed lens, wide angle, ruggedized, portal videography equipment do you feel so outshines GoPro?
I have no comparison. But in handling the equipment it felt like rubbish. I've not used it nor would I want to.
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
In any scenario I would consider GoPro, prosumer at best. But I'm also not an expert on videography or photography. But as a device they seem ridiculous. On par with using a Raspberry Pi in my opinion.
This is a weird stance. What fixed lens, wide angle, ruggedized, portal videography equipment do you feel so outshines GoPro?
I have no comparison. But in handling the equipment it felt like rubbish. I've not used it nor would I want to.
You should. If you ever need something that fits in that specific niche you won't really find anything much better or comparable to a GoPro.
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
In any scenario I would consider GoPro, prosumer at best. But I'm also not an expert on videography or photography. But as a device they seem ridiculous. On par with using a Raspberry Pi in my opinion.
This is a weird stance. What fixed lens, wide angle, ruggedized, portal videography equipment do you feel so outshines GoPro?
I have no comparison. But in handling the equipment it felt like rubbish. I've not used it nor would I want to.
They are super solid, extremely rugged. Incredible image quality. Being able to do what they do at their size is nearly a miracle of modern engineering. They are used by nearly every professional videography shop today because of their outstanding quality and reliability.
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
In any scenario I would consider GoPro, prosumer at best. But I'm also not an expert on videography or photography. But as a device they seem ridiculous. On par with using a Raspberry Pi in my opinion.
This is a weird stance. What fixed lens, wide angle, ruggedized, portal videography equipment do you feel so outshines GoPro?
I have no comparison. But in handling the equipment it felt like rubbish. I've not used it nor would I want to.
You should. If you ever need something that fits in that specific niche you won't really find anything much better or comparable to a GoPro.
I have a few, I'm constantly amazed by what they can do. I know @MarigabyFrias's shop uses them, too.
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
In any scenario I would consider GoPro, prosumer at best. But I'm also not an expert on videography or photography. But as a device they seem ridiculous. On par with using a Raspberry Pi in my opinion.
This is a weird stance. What fixed lens, wide angle, ruggedized, portal videography equipment do you feel so outshines GoPro?
I have no comparison. But in handling the equipment it felt like rubbish. I've not used it nor would I want to.
They are super solid, extremely rugged. Incredible image quality. Being able to do what they do at their size is nearly a miracle of modern engineering. They are used by nearly every professional videography shop today because of their outstanding quality and reliability.
They've also had a roll in pretty much every major movie in the past decade. Whether it be as a steady cam tracking a shot or on a rig over the shoulder of a character. They are versatile as long as you understand their use case.
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Basically Scott I think is saying that no one in a real IT position would ever consider DD-WRT acceptable for business use. Therefore, since IT is mostly around decision making - the decision to use DD-WRT clearly makes the user a consumer class person, not an IT class person.
This is all regardless of funds, because funds don't play into it - according to Scott.
