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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
At BestBuy you can get a TP-Link Wireless-AC router that's been tested to work with DD-WRT for $39.99. I would say it's still very much relevant to power user types on a budget.
Budget, yes. especially in the third world. power users? I don't know if I would go that far.
Are you saying there are few if any power users in the third world, and the few that do exist use something else?
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
At BestBuy you can get a TP-Link Wireless-AC router that's been tested to work with DD-WRT for $39.99. I would say it's still very much relevant to power user types on a budget.
Budget, yes. especially in the third world. power users? I don't know if I would go that far.
Are you saying there are few if any power users in the third world, and the few that do exist use something else?
I've implied nothing of the kind. I'm providing a use case for non-power users in the third world.
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
At BestBuy you can get a TP-Link Wireless-AC router that's been tested to work with DD-WRT for $39.99. I would say it's still very much relevant to power user types on a budget.
Budget, yes. especially in the third world. power users? I don't know if I would go that far.
Are you saying there are few if any power users in the third world, and the few that do exist use something else?
I've implied nothing of the kind. I'm providing a use case for non-power users in the third world.
I'm genuinely trying to determine what you mean. What are third-world non-power users using if not the crap that comes pre-loaded and not DD-WRT (since that seems like what you meant to imply)?
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
I'm genuinely trying to determine what you mean. What are third-world non-power users using if not the crap that comes pre-loaded?
I don't understand what he means either. I would argue that DD-WRT was solely created for power users (third-world, first, wherever) stuck (for whatever reason) with cheap consumer gear.
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
At BestBuy you can get a TP-Link Wireless-AC router that's been tested to work with DD-WRT for $39.99. I would say it's still very much relevant to power user types on a budget.
Budget, yes. especially in the third world. power users? I don't know if I would go that far.
Are you saying there are few if any power users in the third world, and the few that do exist use something else?
I've implied nothing of the kind. I'm providing a use case for non-power users in the third world.
I'm genuinely trying to determine what you mean. What are third-world non-power users using if not the crap that comes pre-loaded?
That's what they all use. BUT if they needed something more stable, there is DD-WRT.
Power Users and DD-WRT don't really go together anywhere. It's a hobbiest, not a power user, tool. It's for people who want some features, or stability, for crap products on an extreme budget.
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
I'm genuinely trying to determine what you mean. What are third-world non-power users using if not the crap that comes pre-loaded?
I don't understand what he means either. I would argue that DD-WRT was solely created for power users (third-world, first, wherever) stuck (for whatever reason) with cheap consumer gear.
I'd argue that it's "anti-power user". That's my underlying point. If you start with DD-WRT not being for power users, then the rest of it is obvious and common sense. I'm not sure what more explanation is needed.
If you believe it is for power users, and don't understand that I don't, then I can see why you feel my position doesn't make sense.
Bottom line... I see DD-WRT as a toy for people to play with. Nothing wrong with that, not at all a power user tool.
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Think Raspberry Pi. Is it fun? Yes. Is it cool? Yes. Is it useful? Yes. Is it for power users? Hell no.
Hobbiest and power user are not closely related things.
Raspberry Pi is not "prosumer". It's just super low cost.
Same here, if you need to be crazy cheap, fine, nothing wrong with having very little money. But using hobby stuff on a budget doesn't make you a power user, it makes you a hobbiest on a budget.
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
At BestBuy you can get a TP-Link Wireless-AC router that's been tested to work with DD-WRT for $39.99. I would say it's still very much relevant to power user types on a budget.
Budget, yes. especially in the third world. power users? I don't know if I would go that far.
Are you saying there are few if any power users in the third world, and the few that do exist use something else?
I've implied nothing of the kind. I'm providing a use case for non-power users in the third world.
I'm genuinely trying to determine what you mean. What are third-world non-power users using if not the crap that comes pre-loaded?
That's what they all use. BUT if they needed something more stable, there is DD-WRT.
Power Users and DD-WRT don't really go together anywhere. It's a hobbiest, not a power user, tool. It's for people who want some features, or stability, for crap products on an extreme budget.
You just said DD-WRT is both more stable and for hobbiest and not power users. But they may need features that they can't get with the consumer crap that comes pre-loaded.
You're going in circles. Is DD-WRT hobbiest, power user or non of the above and why?
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
At BestBuy you can get a TP-Link Wireless-AC router that's been tested to work with DD-WRT for $39.99. I would say it's still very much relevant to power user types on a budget.
Budget, yes. especially in the third world. power users? I don't know if I would go that far.
Are you saying there are few if any power users in the third world, and the few that do exist use something else?
I've implied nothing of the kind. I'm providing a use case for non-power users in the third world.
I'm genuinely trying to determine what you mean. What are third-world non-power users using if not the crap that comes pre-loaded?
That's what they all use. BUT if they needed something more stable, there is DD-WRT.
Power Users and DD-WRT don't really go together anywhere. It's a hobbiest, not a power user, tool. It's for people who want some features, or stability, for crap products on an extreme budget.
You just said DD-WRT is both more stable and for hobbiest and not power users. But they may need features that they can't get with the consumer crap that comes pre-loaded.
Power Users simply don't exist on that kind of budget. If you are that constrained, you simply don't have power user or business class options. It's that simple.
Business doesn't have a "but we can't afford to do business" tier, that's not how business works.
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
Business doesn't have a "but we can't afford to do business" tier, that's not how business works.
I've seen at least 1 business here make that very claim! Within the past week no less!
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
You're going in circles. Is DD-WRT hobbiest, power user or non of the above and why?
Nope, my position never changed.
DD-WRT is for hobbiest or NON power users who need better or more features than they can get from the hardware pre-loaded at this price.
POWER USERS have to buy POWER USER class hardware or better.
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Let's reverse it.
"I want DD-WRT because I want to play with features, but I don't want them in business class way."
Perfect, that's who DD-WRT is for. Hobbyists, not power users. Nothing wrong with that. They just aren't the same thing.
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
I'd argue that it's "anti-power user". That's my underlying point. If you start with DD-WRT not being for power users, then the rest of it is obvious and common sense. I'm not sure what more explanation is needed.
If you believe it is for power users, and don't understand that I don't, then I can see why you feel my position doesn't make sense.
Bottom line... I see DD-WRT as a toy for people to play with. Nothing wrong with that, not at all a power user tool.I guess our definitions of power users aren't in line. I tend to agree with wikipedia on this one:
A power user or an experienced user is a computer user who uses advanced features of computer hardware,[1][2][3] operating systems,[4] programs,[5][6] or web sites[7] which are not used by the average user.DD-WRT certainly offers what me, and wikipedia, would call power-user features...
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
I'd argue that it's "anti-power user". That's my underlying point. If you start with DD-WRT not being for power users, then the rest of it is obvious and common sense. I'm not sure what more explanation is needed.
If you believe it is for power users, and don't understand that I don't, then I can see why you feel my position doesn't make sense.
Bottom line... I see DD-WRT as a toy for people to play with. Nothing wrong with that, not at all a power user tool.I guess our definitions of power users aren't in line. I tend to agree with wikipedia on this one:
A power user or an experienced user is a computer user who uses advanced features of computer hardware,[1][2][3] operating systems,[4] programs,[5][6] or web sites[7] which are not used by the average user.DD-WRT certainly offers what me, and wikipedia, would call power-user features...
I'd agree here and only would I disagree if a user in India installed DD-WRT because they wanted to "install DD-WRT to see how it works" that would classify them as a hobbyist.
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
I'd argue that it's "anti-power user". That's my underlying point. If you start with DD-WRT not being for power users, then the rest of it is obvious and common sense. I'm not sure what more explanation is needed.
If you believe it is for power users, and don't understand that I don't, then I can see why you feel my position doesn't make sense.
Bottom line... I see DD-WRT as a toy for people to play with. Nothing wrong with that, not at all a power user tool.I guess our definitions of power users aren't in line. I tend to agree with wikipedia on this one:
A power user or an experienced user is a computer user who uses advanced features of computer hardware,[1][2][3] operating systems,[4] programs,[5][6] or web sites[7] which are not used by the average user.DD-WRT certainly offers what me, and wikipedia, would call power-user features...
That's why I pointed out that I was saying this was not a power user way to use things.
I don't think anyone in IT actually uses that definition. We might agree with it, until we pointed it out in the real world then you'd say "oh gosh, no that's not what I was thinking."
If "features" are how you define power user, then I agree, DD-WRT is for power users and I'd define power users as a pointless definition that has a terrible name implying that they are heavier or more serious users, because features and more serious users don't go together.
In IT or business (two aspects of the same thing) I would define power users as people more "serious" with things like performance, stability, and support being the legitimate features in the context.. things that DD-WRT lacks.
Unless it is the "advanced" features bit. In which case, I'd say DD-WRT has the gimmick not advanced features. Again, not power user, just hobbyest.
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@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
I'd argue that it's "anti-power user". That's my underlying point. If you start with DD-WRT not being for power users, then the rest of it is obvious and common sense. I'm not sure what more explanation is needed.
If you believe it is for power users, and don't understand that I don't, then I can see why you feel my position doesn't make sense.
Bottom line... I see DD-WRT as a toy for people to play with. Nothing wrong with that, not at all a power user tool.I guess our definitions of power users aren't in line. I tend to agree with wikipedia on this one:
A power user or an experienced user is a computer user who uses advanced features of computer hardware,[1][2][3] operating systems,[4] programs,[5][6] or web sites[7] which are not used by the average user.DD-WRT certainly offers what me, and wikipedia, would call power-user features...
I'd agree here and only would I disagree if a user in India installed DD-WRT because they wanted to "install DD-WRT to see how it works" that would classify them as a hobbyist.
So if an American did the same thing for the same reason, they'd be a power user?
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
I'd argue that it's "anti-power user". That's my underlying point. If you start with DD-WRT not being for power users, then the rest of it is obvious and common sense. I'm not sure what more explanation is needed.
If you believe it is for power users, and don't understand that I don't, then I can see why you feel my position doesn't make sense.
Bottom line... I see DD-WRT as a toy for people to play with. Nothing wrong with that, not at all a power user tool.I guess our definitions of power users aren't in line. I tend to agree with wikipedia on this one:
A power user or an experienced user is a computer user who uses advanced features of computer hardware,[1][2][3] operating systems,[4] programs,[5][6] or web sites[7] which are not used by the average user.DD-WRT certainly offers what me, and wikipedia, would call power-user features...
I'd agree here and only would I disagree if a user in India installed DD-WRT because they wanted to "install DD-WRT to see how it works" that would classify them as a hobbyist.
So if an American did the same thing for the same reason, they'd be a power user?
No, they'd also be a hobbyist. I was just using India as it was from the example above.
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
If "features" are how you define power user, then I agree, DD-WRT is for power users and I'd define power users as a pointless definition that has a terrible name implying that they are heavier or more serious users, because features and more serious users don't go together.
So if my POS consumer router firmware doesn't allow me to forward ports, but DD-WRT unlocks this, it wouldn't be a power user feature?
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
@DustinB3403 said in DD-WRT:
I'm genuinely trying to determine what you mean. What are third-world non-power users using if not the crap that comes pre-loaded?
I don't understand what he means either. I would argue that DD-WRT was solely created for power users (third-world, first, wherever) stuck (for whatever reason) with cheap consumer gear.
I'd argue that it's "anti-power user". That's my underlying point. If you start with DD-WRT not being for power users, then the rest of it is obvious and common sense. I'm not sure what more explanation is needed.
If you believe it is for power users, and don't understand that I don't, then I can see why you feel my position doesn't make sense.
Bottom line... I see DD-WRT as a toy for people to play with. Nothing wrong with that, not at all a power user tool.
So my question is - where is the line between power user and the next level up ? Heck, what do you call the next level up?
even better - make a listing of the levels of users for us.
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@scottalanmiller said in DD-WRT:
I'd argue that it's "anti-power user". That's my underlying point. If you start with DD-WRT not being for power users, then the rest of it is obvious and common sense. I'm not sure what more explanation is needed.
If you believe it is for power users, and don't understand that I don't, then I can see why you feel my position doesn't make sense.
Bottom line... I see DD-WRT as a toy for people to play with. Nothing wrong with that, not at all a power user tool.I guess our definitions of power users aren't in line. I tend to agree with wikipedia on this one:
A power user or an experienced user is a computer user who uses advanced features of computer hardware,[1][2][3] operating systems,[4] programs,[5][6] or web sites[7] which are not used by the average user.DD-WRT certainly offers what me, and wikipedia, would call power-user features...
I simply don't agree. I don't believe that DD-WRT qualifies as more "advanced" by using it certainly can't qualify anyone as an "experienced user."
Wikipedia doesn't require "experience" when defining an "experienced user." I think we have to agree that the wikipedia definition isn't viable. It's a silly non-power user definition of what people who aren't power users imagine power users are doing. Rather than what power users or above would define. It sounds plausible on a casual read, but if you really look at it, it is, I feel, a pretty obviously useless definition.
Unless you REALLY work hard to say that advanced features mean very specific things that normal people would not think of.
