New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster

mroth911

So to ask a few questions.

what about the scale system are you unable to support?
So here was a situation that I had, A hard drive failed and the system wouldn't recognize the new harddrive I put in. So I had to call them to do something in the backend to active port 2 to reanalyze and make the drive active
is cost the only thing that makes the scale system unsupportable?
Yes cost I want to know commands to make sure if something goes wrong I can fix it.

if you are concerned about the scale solution dieing and support issues for that, how does moving to oVirt fix those concerns besides support contracts?

I would build it and know the bones and how it function. Beside the hardware I will know how. to fix things if it breaks.m

JaredBusch

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

@DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:

So to ask a few questions.

what about the scale system are you unable to support?
So here was a situation that I had, A hard drive failed and the system wouldn't recognize the new harddrive I put in. So I had to call them to do something in the backend to active port 2 to reanalyze and make the drive active
is cost the only thing that makes the scale system unsupportable?
Yes cost I want to know commands to make sure if something goes wrong I can fix it.

if you are concerned about the scale solution dieing and support issues for that, how does moving to oVirt fix those concerns besides support contracts?

I would build it and know the bones and how it function. Beside the hardware I will know how. to fix things if it breaks.m

But no one else will. So the company is in the same place they are now.

mroth911

@JaredBusch Its all me with my company.

DustinB3403

Posted for formatting

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

@DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:
So to ask a few questions.

what about the scale system are you unable to support?

So here was a situation that I had, A hard drive failed and the system wouldn't recognize the new harddrive I put in. So I had to call them to do something in the backend to active port 2 to reanalyze and make the drive active

is cost the only thing that makes the scale system unsupportable?

Yes cost I want to know commands to make sure if something goes wrong I can fix it.

if you are concerned about the scale solution dieing and support issues for that, how does moving to oVirt fix those concerns besides support contracts?

I would build it and know the bones and how it function. Beside the hardware I will know how. to fix things if it breaks.m

DustinB3403

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

@JaredBusch Its all me with my company.

So this is for your own personal business.

To ask the question again, does your own personal business actually require HA? Or would Near-HA be good enough?

Dashrender

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

@DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:

So to ask a few questions.

what about the scale system are you unable to support?
So here was a situation that I had, A hard drive failed and the system wouldn't recognize the new harddrive I put in. So I had to call them to do something in the backend to active port 2 to reanalyze and make the drive active
is cost the only thing that makes the scale system unsupportable?
Yes cost I want to know commands to make sure if something goes wrong I can fix it.

if you are concerned about the scale solution dieing and support issues for that, how does moving to oVirt fix those concerns besides support contracts?

I would build it and know the bones and how it function. Beside the hardware I will know how. to fix things if it breaks.m

I don't consider this reasonable. Unless you already know oVirt very well - you'll be learning while you have outages. Which means your outages will be longer than they need to be while you're learning - or, you'll be paying someone to help you fix it fast.

Of course this is your option, but it seems like the wrong place to spend you time. What is your business? Web deving? or providing hosting? or both?

I know Scott does both with Hostadillo - but he doesn't use his own hardware - he offloads that to Vultr. It's not worth his time/effort, etc to manage the hardware. He resells Vultr(or others) hosting while also selling web deving.

mroth911

To ask the question again, does your own personal business actually require HA? Or would Near-HA be good enough?

I would like the avaliblity that if one server goes off, the whole things doesn't shit the bed.

Running web servers, PBX Servers, Jira server, DC's

and some other custom stuff for doctors to get into .

mroth911

@Dashrender said in Ovirt

I do both, and it just seems easier when I have build an application, or custom dev, I can just spin up a machine in my own environment and do what I need to do. plus I have all this equipment already.

DustinB3403

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

To ask the question again, does your own personal business actually require HA? Or would Near-HA be good enough?

I would like the avaliblity that if one server goes off, the whole things doesn't shit the bed.

Running web servers, PBX Servers, Jira server, DC's

and some other custom stuff for doctors to get into .

Okay so you can do this with 2, 3 or 100 hosts and not need hyperconvergence. Pooling in Hyper-V, XCP-ng and even ESXi (but cost licensing) all allow your VMs to migrate in the event of an outage.

DustinB3403

KVM also has this option but I've not gone through and set it up here.

Dashrender

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

@Dashrender said in Ovirt

I do both, and it just seems easier when I have build an application, or custom dev, I can just spin up a machine in my own environment and do what I need to do. plus I have all this equipment already.

But it's not. It's just as easy to spin up a machine in Vultr, etc.

DustinB3403

@Dashrender said in Ovirt:

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

@Dashrender said in Ovirt

I do both, and it just seems easier when I have build an application, or custom dev, I can just spin up a machine in my own environment and do what I need to do. plus I have all this equipment already.

But it's not. It's just as easy to spin up a machine in Vultr, etc.

And not ever have to look at or manage any hardware.

Dashrender

The obvious issue we have here is Sunk Cost Fallacy.

You already have all of that current infrastructure, and you don't want to loose the value in that investment. I get that. But likely, your best bet is to let it go - Sell it - sell it now, fast! get as much money for it as you can, and move your hosting to a solution like Vultr.

You can also kill that huge internet pipe you have, go to something cheap for your location. Internet will be included in the price of the hosting at Vultr.

DustinB3403

So @mroth911 oVirt is likely a really great option if you required a hyperconverged infrastructure. From the sounds of it though, you don't.

Going with that premise, why not using XCP-ng and XO, create a pool out of your three hosts? If any host goes offline the VMs get migrated to another host within the pool.

You might have a minute of downtime while this occurs, but this amount of downtime doesn't appear to be unacceptable based on this topic alone where you are wanting to learn how to setup and manage oVirt for your business.

mroth911

@DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:

XCP-ng

I really want a product that works and can be put in productions. I have 24 cpanel servers that I cant have go offline.

scottalanmiller

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

Thats what I am trying to do I dont like shared storage. Its a single point of failure.

No, it is not. It's what protects you against single points of failure.

You should never "like" or "dislike" things in IT. You should evaluate them logically, not emotionally. Disliking basic building blocks of systems causes big issues.

Imagine "disliking" hyperthreading or "if" statements! You can't refuse to use basic technological concepts necessary for standard computing.

mroth911

@scottalanmiller understood

DustinB3403

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

@DustinB3403 said in Ovirt:

XCP-ng

I really want a product that works and can be put in productions. I have 24 cpanel servers that I cant have go offline.

You're still looking at this with brown colored glasses.

First you're wanting to setup something you've never used for production out of the gate. Granted there is a lot of documentation, but the same amount of documentation can make managing and setting this up difficult.

oVirt is powerful, but you have 3 hosts. Meaning if you lost power your systems go offline anyways. All 24 cPanel down.

Same thing would occur with any on-premise solution, power, internet, switching issue.

The idea that XCP-ng (or ESXi or Hyper-V or XenServer) aren't production ready are weird, when you have access to numerous choices for support. Only with ESXi is support more difficult to obtain freely.

DustinB3403

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

I have 24 cpanel servers that I cant have go offline.

This statement here leads me to think that you need to purchase support. Period. Or host these in the cloud.

On-premise is the "I can accept some downtime option".

scottalanmiller

@mroth911 said in Ovirt:

@Dashrender No warranty on hardware. I am not big enough to get contracts etc.

I'm big enough to get contracts for home, how small is the business?

Warranty is something you get on a single server. Why so many servers, the scale you are installing doesn't match with your other limitations.