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      FATeknollogee @Obsolesce
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      @Obsolesce said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

      @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

      @JaredBusch said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

      @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

      Here's the deal on a job I'm taking over:
      Existing site with AD.
      The site has LOB app, file servers etc.
      This LOB app is an old version & will eventually go bye-bye.
      Every user "knows" the domain admin password...hahaha!!

      I'm adding some new gear:
      EdgeRouter 4
      EdgeSwitch ES-16-XG
      Edgeswitch ES48 Lite
      Edgeswitch ES24-500w
      new SM server: F29 w KVM to host new version of LOB

      I'm thinking I should start from scratch, create a "new" domain & not fight the existing "admins" (aka user base?

      What say you?

      This is very disruptive, but is what you should do from the IT perspective.

      You need buy in from the CEO/President though.

      Forgot to mention....it's a new owner/CEO.
      Buy in is a 1000%, he wants it cleaned up & done the right way.

      Yeah, I'd redo it if they can deal with the down time when everything is switched over.

      I can't have downtime, the existing stuff/site needs to keep running as-is for now.

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        Obsolesce @FATeknollogee
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        @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

        @Obsolesce said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

        @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

        @JaredBusch said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

        @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

        Here's the deal on a job I'm taking over:
        Existing site with AD.
        The site has LOB app, file servers etc.
        This LOB app is an old version & will eventually go bye-bye.
        Every user "knows" the domain admin password...hahaha!!

        I'm adding some new gear:
        EdgeRouter 4
        EdgeSwitch ES-16-XG
        Edgeswitch ES48 Lite
        Edgeswitch ES24-500w
        new SM server: F29 w KVM to host new version of LOB

        I'm thinking I should start from scratch, create a "new" domain & not fight the existing "admins" (aka user base?

        What say you?

        This is very disruptive, but is what you should do from the IT perspective.

        You need buy in from the CEO/President though.

        Forgot to mention....it's a new owner/CEO.
        Buy in is a 1000%, he wants it cleaned up & done the right way.

        Yeah, I'd redo it if they can deal with the down time when everything is switched over.

        I can't have downtime, the existing stuff/site needs to keep running as-is for now.

        There will be down time with a new domain, you'll need to rejoin all devices to the new domain, that will require a reboot.

        Everyone will need to log in with their new credentials, and so they can get access to AD-authenticated shares and resources.

        New DNS settings. New DHCP auth and dns settings for DHCP server.

        Etc...

        You can set up the new domain completely in parallel, and then migrate from old domain to new domain as well. I have done that twice, but it was like 4 or so years ago and at that time it wasn't a 100% translation. Maybe it's better now, I don't know, but with a new domain there will be some kind of down time.

        If you can't have any down time, then you will do as I had above and do a full sweep through everything, and as Scott said, start changing admin passwords lol.

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          FATeknollogee
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          I've got to figure out how I can run in parallel with 2 different network/subnets

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            jmoore @FATeknollogee
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            @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

            new SM server: F29 w KVM to host new version of LOB

            What is LOB?

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              Dashrender @FATeknollogee
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              @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

              I've got to figure out how I can run in parallel with 2 different network/subnets

              Why change the IP scheme?

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                FATeknollogee @jmoore
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                @jmoore said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                new SM server: F29 w KVM to host new version of LOB

                What is LOB?

                Line of Business

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                  jmoore @FATeknollogee
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                  @FATeknollogee Oh, thanks

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                    Dashrender @FATeknollogee
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                    @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                    I've got to figure out how I can run in parallel

                    This will definitely be the most challenging part.

                    Getting people still on the old systems to be able to connect to the new systems.

                    I'd consider setting up domain trusts

                    with 2 different network/subnets

                    I suppose this could be a good idea, you could setup each subnet with it's own DHCP server so DNS is right for each domain - but each domain will need to know about the DNS of the other anyhow, assuming you setup Domain trusts.

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                      Dashrender @FATeknollogee
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                      @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                      @jmoore said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                      @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                      new SM server: F29 w KVM to host new version of LOB

                      What is LOB?

                      Line of Business

                      LOL - I thought he was asking what the app was, i.e. the name of the app.

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                        Dashrender
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                        Are you also going to rebuild all the users computers?

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                          FATeknollogee @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                          @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                          I've got to figure out how I can run in parallel with 2 different network/subnets

                          Why change the IP scheme?

                          Preference & it's an easy way to identify "rogue" devices.
                          Current scheme is 192.168.1.x
                          I'll do a 10.200.10.x (or something similar)
                          Which means I should never see any device with a 192.168.1.x address on the network.

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                            FATeknollogee @Dashrender
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                            @Dashrender said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                            Are you also going to rebuild all the users computers?

                            Ideally, I should...

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                              jmoore @Dashrender
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                              @Dashrender I just didn't know what the abbreviation stood for is all

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                                black3dynamite
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                                Are those users set up with folder redirection or roaming profiles? That will be another challenge to deal with.

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                                  FATeknollogee @black3dynamite
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                                  @black3dynamite said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                                  Are those users set up with folder redirection or roaming profiles? That will be another challenge to deal with.

                                  I don't believe they are.

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                                    JaredBusch @FATeknollogee
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                                    @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                                    @Dashrender said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                                    @FATeknollogee said in Existing AD...prefer to create New Site?:

                                    I've got to figure out how I can run in parallel with 2 different network/subnets

                                    Why change the IP scheme?

                                    Preference & it's an easy way to identify "rogue" devices.
                                    Current scheme is 192.168.1.x
                                    I'll do a 10.200.10.x (or something similar)
                                    Which means I should never see any device with a 192.168.1.x address on the network.

                                    This part is simple, you just add the 10.X.X.X to everything and add a rule to route between it and the 192.

                                    You don't care about connectivity at this point.

                                    Everyone will still use the old LoB app on the new network, you jsut might have to teach them to runas or something depending on how it actually runs.

                                    Simplified, but you get the idea.

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