Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
And one where CBT for Windows is quite cheap.
And Cross Platform, AFAIK... That would be an interesting option here.
CBT is Windows only as far as this reads.
Aww
.... But still useful.Do you need CBT on linux? I'm guessing so, but I'm curious for what cases you are encountering and how it would all fit together.
We probably don't have much that could make use of CBT on Linux, except our File Servers... maybe a MySQL Server or three.
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@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
And one where CBT for Windows is quite cheap.
And Cross Platform, AFAIK... That would be an interesting option here.
CBT is Windows only as far as this reads.
Aww
.... But still useful.Do you need CBT on linux? I'm guessing so, but I'm curious for what cases you are encountering and how it would all fit together.
We probably don't have much that could make use of CBT on Linux, except our File Servers... maybe a MySQL Server or three.
So CBT may already be baked into UrBackup client for Linux*, in looking at a few of their forum posts. Since there was a (older) conversation about dattodb which is open source.
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And there is File level dedup included at no additional cost.
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
What backup options and features are you required to have?
*We are still putting this list together. But mainly we're looking for basic things to just backup OS and Data. We don't care if it's full install, agent based, or Hypervisor based. It just needs to work.
*Good Backup Compression / Deduplication is a must. We have ~30TB of systems and data.
What solutions have you considered?
- When we start looking, we'll start with the usual culprits like Veeam. ShadowProtect comes highly recommended to me by several folks (Including the guy who just built the ReadyNAS)... We'd hit the other major players as well.
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@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
When we start looking, we'll start with the usual culprits like Veeam. ShadowProtect comes highly recommended to me by several folks (Including the guy who just built the ReadyNAS)... We'd hit the other major players as well.
So cost is going to bite you in the ass, since you said there were concerns about licensing. But they are all valid options.
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Good Backup Compression / Deduplication is a must. We have ~30TB of systems and data.
You can perform the compression on your storage layer or use dedup or both. This may affect the overall performance though.
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
We don't care if it's full install, agent based, or Hypervisor based. It just needs to work.
Based on this I would think Agent based would be a decent option. But didn't you say you have something along the lines of 300 VMs? Might become tedious.
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
~300 VMs and ~30 VMware Hosts.
Yeah, that's a lot of hosts and a lot of VMs. That has a cost to it in all aspects... hardware, electricity, maintenance, BACKUPS (on/off site), etc...
You can and should expect every aspect to all of those to have a lot of associated costs. That just goes with it.
Nothing says you can't have more than one backup solution going for different needs. You could have one for Windows and one for non-Windows, CBT vs non-CBT, etc.
I do know that you get VSS and CBT in some free Linux based backup solutions if you pay for them (then it's not free anymore). For example, Zmanda.
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@Obsolesce said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
For example, Zmanda.
I don't know if Zmanda even makes it on the list. Have to ask for a quote to see any of their pricing.
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@Obsolesce said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
~300 VMs and ~30 VMware Hosts.
Yeah, that's a lot of hosts and a lot of VMs. That has a cost to it in all aspects... hardware, electricity, maintenance, BACKUPS (on/off site), etc...
You can and should expect every aspect to all of those to have a lot of associated costs. That just goes with it.
Nothing says you can't have more than one backup solution going for different needs. You could have one for Windows and one for non-Windows, CBT vs non-CBT, etc.
I do know that you get VSS and CBT in some free Linux based backup solutions if you pay for them (then it's not free anymore). For example, Zmanda.
Zmanda pulled some **** moves on me when we were using them for a backup solution. I'd never recommend it to anyone, ever. Plus, look at the officially supported Linux distributions, and tell me from that how long it's been since they've done any testing or new coding for it. (Was around 2001 last I looked.)
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@travisdh1 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@Obsolesce said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
~300 VMs and ~30 VMware Hosts.
Yeah, that's a lot of hosts and a lot of VMs. That has a cost to it in all aspects... hardware, electricity, maintenance, BACKUPS (on/off site), etc...
You can and should expect every aspect to all of those to have a lot of associated costs. That just goes with it.
Nothing says you can't have more than one backup solution going for different needs. You could have one for Windows and one for non-Windows, CBT vs non-CBT, etc.
I do know that you get VSS and CBT in some free Linux based backup solutions if you pay for them (then it's not free anymore). For example, Zmanda.
Zmanda pulled some **** moves on me when we were using them for a backup solution. I'd never recommend it to anyone, ever. Plus, look at the officially supported Linux distributions, and tell me from that how long it's been since they've done any testing or new coding for it. (Was around 2001 last I looked.)
I listed it as an example. Looks like they support 2016 and Win10 now (they didn't last time I looked). But yeah, I don't know much about their OS support or plans.
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@Obsolesce said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@travisdh1 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@Obsolesce said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
~300 VMs and ~30 VMware Hosts.
Yeah, that's a lot of hosts and a lot of VMs. That has a cost to it in all aspects... hardware, electricity, maintenance, BACKUPS (on/off site), etc...
You can and should expect every aspect to all of those to have a lot of associated costs. That just goes with it.
Nothing says you can't have more than one backup solution going for different needs. You could have one for Windows and one for non-Windows, CBT vs non-CBT, etc.
I do know that you get VSS and CBT in some free Linux based backup solutions if you pay for them (then it's not free anymore). For example, Zmanda.
Zmanda pulled some **** moves on me when we were using them for a backup solution. I'd never recommend it to anyone, ever. Plus, look at the officially supported Linux distributions, and tell me from that how long it's been since they've done any testing or new coding for it. (Was around 2001 last I looked.)
I listed it as an example. Looks like they support 2016 and Win10 now (they didn't last time I looked). But yeah, I don't know much about their OS support or plans.
Amanada (the open source product Zmanada is based on) is an ok product, but can't compete with the likes of things like Duplicati.
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
When we start looking, we'll start with the usual culprits like Veeam. ShadowProtect comes highly recommended to me by several folks (Including the guy who just built the ReadyNAS)... We'd hit the other major players as well.
So cost is going to bite you in the ass, since you said there were concerns about licensing. But they are all valid options.
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Good Backup Compression / Deduplication is a must. We have ~30TB of systems and data.
You can perform the compression on your storage layer or use dedup or both. This may affect the overall performance though.
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
We don't care if it's full install, agent based, or Hypervisor based. It just needs to work.
Based on this I would think Agent based would be a decent option. But didn't you say you have something along the lines of 300 VMs? Might become tedious.
Yeah, we'd likely do the dedupe at the Storage layer. Our Current Nimble devices do this relatively well with our live data. Something like 1.3 or 1.4 to 1 compression is what i remember. It may be more or less.
If we went Agent based, we can push the agents via PDQ Deploy for Windows and a shell script or something for Linux. (Most of our Production Linux systems are SLES 12)... If reboots are required, systems can be rebooted during our patch window... (5-7am every day).
