Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets
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@dafyre mentioned he is trying to convince the powers that be that they need a proper backup solution to protect their VMs, but that licensing would kill the business.
He also mentioned he could build a ReadyNAS or Synology with 144TB raw from ~$12,000.
So @dafyre
- What backup options and features are you required to have?
- What solutions have you considered?
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Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
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@scottalanmiller said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
And one where CBT for Windows is quite cheap.
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
And one where CBT for Windows is quite cheap.
And if you dont need that, free.
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@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Which incidentally today is a day to drink. . . already been a morning.
No kidding. Spent most of this morning troubleshooting a dead VM, finding a working snapshot (had to go back to Christmas!) and then, the boss man tell me to set up Daily snapshots on any system that has BTRFS. (I agree with him on this one!)
Maybe time for normal backups.
I'm trying to convince the powers that be.... However the licensing software would kill us on pricing. We could build a NAS solution to store our backups for less than $12k (a buddy of mine set up a ReadyNas or Synology with 144TB Raw storage).
Lots of free but still backup options.
Yeah. Just gotta convince the bosses to spring for the backup storage... They're not afraid to spend money on stuff when we need it and have the money available to us. Once they say go, I'll definitely be investigating the front runners like Veeam... but I'm afraid it will be too expensive for us with ~300 VMs and ~30 VMware Hosts.
So you want something that is Agent based and VMware matters why?
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
And one where CBT for Windows is quite cheap.
And Cross Platform, AFAIK... That would be an interesting option here.
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Which incidentally today is a day to drink. . . already been a morning.
No kidding. Spent most of this morning troubleshooting a dead VM, finding a working snapshot (had to go back to Christmas!) and then, the boss man tell me to set up Daily snapshots on any system that has BTRFS. (I agree with him on this one!)
Maybe time for normal backups.
I'm trying to convince the powers that be.... However the licensing software would kill us on pricing. We could build a NAS solution to store our backups for less than $12k (a buddy of mine set up a ReadyNas or Synology with 144TB Raw storage).
Lots of free but still backup options.
Yeah. Just gotta convince the bosses to spring for the backup storage... They're not afraid to spend money on stuff when we need it and have the money available to us. Once they say go, I'll definitely be investigating the front runners like Veeam... but I'm afraid it will be too expensive for us with ~300 VMs and ~30 VMware Hosts.
So you want something that is Agent based and VMware matters why?
Depends on how the products are licensed. Some are licensed per VM others are Licensed per Host.
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@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
And one where CBT for Windows is quite cheap.
And Cross Platform, AFAIK... That would be an interesting option here.
CBT is Windows only as far as this reads.
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
And one where CBT for Windows is quite cheap.
And Cross Platform, AFAIK... That would be an interesting option here.
CBT is Windows only as far as this reads.
Aww
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So UrBackup is free and open source. Setup your on-premise server, and install the clients. CBT the ones that need it (windows servers).
For everything else, just specify what you want backed up and never look at it again.
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
So UrBackup is free and open source. Setup your on-premise server, and install the clients. CBT the ones that need it (windows servers).
For everything else, just specify what you want backed up and never look at it again.
Yeah. I've still got URBackup on my old laptop chugging away (Nothing changes on that laptop at the moment).
I need to get it on my new one.
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@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
And one where CBT for Windows is quite cheap.
And Cross Platform, AFAIK... That would be an interesting option here.
CBT is Windows only as far as this reads.
Aww
.... But still useful.Do you need CBT on linux? I'm guessing so, but I'm curious for what cases you are encountering and how it would all fit together.
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
And one where CBT for Windows is quite cheap.
And Cross Platform, AFAIK... That would be an interesting option here.
CBT is Windows only as far as this reads.
Aww
.... But still useful.Do you need CBT on linux? I'm guessing so, but I'm curious for what cases you are encountering and how it would all fit together.
We probably don't have much that could make use of CBT on Linux, except our File Servers... maybe a MySQL Server or three.
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@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@scottalanmiller said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Example.... UrBackup might be interesting.
And one where CBT for Windows is quite cheap.
And Cross Platform, AFAIK... That would be an interesting option here.
CBT is Windows only as far as this reads.
Aww
.... But still useful.Do you need CBT on linux? I'm guessing so, but I'm curious for what cases you are encountering and how it would all fit together.
We probably don't have much that could make use of CBT on Linux, except our File Servers... maybe a MySQL Server or three.
So CBT may already be baked into UrBackup client for Linux*, in looking at a few of their forum posts. Since there was a (older) conversation about dattodb which is open source.
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And there is File level dedup included at no additional cost.
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
What backup options and features are you required to have?
*We are still putting this list together. But mainly we're looking for basic things to just backup OS and Data. We don't care if it's full install, agent based, or Hypervisor based. It just needs to work.
*Good Backup Compression / Deduplication is a must. We have ~30TB of systems and data.
What solutions have you considered?
- When we start looking, we'll start with the usual culprits like Veeam. ShadowProtect comes highly recommended to me by several folks (Including the guy who just built the ReadyNAS)... We'd hit the other major players as well.
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@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
When we start looking, we'll start with the usual culprits like Veeam. ShadowProtect comes highly recommended to me by several folks (Including the guy who just built the ReadyNAS)... We'd hit the other major players as well.
So cost is going to bite you in the ass, since you said there were concerns about licensing. But they are all valid options.
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
Good Backup Compression / Deduplication is a must. We have ~30TB of systems and data.
You can perform the compression on your storage layer or use dedup or both. This may affect the overall performance though.
@dafyre said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
We don't care if it's full install, agent based, or Hypervisor based. It just needs to work.
Based on this I would think Agent based would be a decent option. But didn't you say you have something along the lines of 300 VMs? Might become tedious.
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@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
~300 VMs and ~30 VMware Hosts.
Yeah, that's a lot of hosts and a lot of VMs. That has a cost to it in all aspects... hardware, electricity, maintenance, BACKUPS (on/off site), etc...
You can and should expect every aspect to all of those to have a lot of associated costs. That just goes with it.
Nothing says you can't have more than one backup solution going for different needs. You could have one for Windows and one for non-Windows, CBT vs non-CBT, etc.
I do know that you get VSS and CBT in some free Linux based backup solutions if you pay for them (then it's not free anymore). For example, Zmanda.
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@Obsolesce said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
For example, Zmanda.
I don't know if Zmanda even makes it on the list. Have to ask for a quote to see any of their pricing.
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@Obsolesce said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
@DustinB3403 said in Backup Options - Licensing Costs - Storage Targets:
~300 VMs and ~30 VMware Hosts.
Yeah, that's a lot of hosts and a lot of VMs. That has a cost to it in all aspects... hardware, electricity, maintenance, BACKUPS (on/off site), etc...
You can and should expect every aspect to all of those to have a lot of associated costs. That just goes with it.
Nothing says you can't have more than one backup solution going for different needs. You could have one for Windows and one for non-Windows, CBT vs non-CBT, etc.
I do know that you get VSS and CBT in some free Linux based backup solutions if you pay for them (then it's not free anymore). For example, Zmanda.
Zmanda pulled some **** moves on me when we were using them for a backup solution. I'd never recommend it to anyone, ever. Plus, look at the officially supported Linux distributions, and tell me from that how long it's been since they've done any testing or new coding for it. (Was around 2001 last I looked.)
