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    Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet

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      Obsolesce @Emad R
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      @Emad-R said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

      @DustinB3403

      I truly think containers will make CM obsolete. If not already.

      What led you to believe that?

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        black3dynamite @Emad R
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        @Emad-R said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

        @DustinB3403

        I truly think containers will make CM obsolete. If not already.

        What do you mean?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Emad R
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          @Emad-R said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

          @DustinB3403

          I truly think containers will make CM obsolete. If not already.

          I think more the other way around. Containers are important, but mostly hype. At least app containers like you are talking about. Full containers are best managed by CM. CM and containers are a perfect pairing.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @flaxking
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            @flaxking said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

            It took me quite a long time to get through the initial Puppet tutorials. And even then I was missing important pieces that should be used on any production setups. After that Salt was really easy to pick up. I haven't tried Ansible, but people always seem to say it is the easiest.

            Same experience here. Started in cfEngine and Chef. Then going to Salt and Ansible was like "whoa, this is SO easy".

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              marcinozga @Emad R
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              @Emad-R said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

              @DustinB3403

              I truly think containers will make CM obsolete. If not already.

              Containers are usually managed with CM, so this statement doesn't make much sense. Containers will probably become obsolete long before CM will.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @marcinozga
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                @marcinozga said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                @Emad-R said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                @DustinB3403

                I truly think containers will make CM obsolete. If not already.

                Containers are usually managed with CM, so this statement doesn't make much sense. Containers will probably become obsolete long before CM will.

                Exactly, CM is the language of containers. Containers actually make CM even more important.

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                  flaxking @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                  @Emad-R said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                  @DustinB3403

                  I truly think containers will make CM obsolete. If not already.

                  I think more the other way around. Containers are important, but mostly hype. At least app containers like you are talking about. Full containers are best managed by CM. CM and containers are a perfect pairing.

                  If a server container is immutable, then why would there be need to actively manage the live configuration?

                  But there will always be servers it doesn't make sense to make immutable.

                  And, at least on more heavyweight containers, there's no guarantee that the configuration hasn't changed. Although it would seem unlikely. So it's not truely immutable.

                  The whole container/CM thing is kind of at a weird place right now. With containers, we've sort of migrated back to the golden image thing, just with the pressure to create an image using a config file. I don't really like images on docker hub that don't have links to the dockerfile.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @flaxking
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                    @flaxking said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                    @Emad-R said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                    @DustinB3403

                    I truly think containers will make CM obsolete. If not already.

                    I think more the other way around. Containers are important, but mostly hype. At least app containers like you are talking about. Full containers are best managed by CM. CM and containers are a perfect pairing.

                    If a server container is immutable, then why would there be need to actively manage the live configuration?

                    But IS it immutable? How often do you get that?

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by Obsolesce

                      @scottalanmiller said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                      @flaxking said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                      @Emad-R said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                      @DustinB3403

                      I truly think containers will make CM obsolete. If not already.

                      I think more the other way around. Containers are important, but mostly hype. At least app containers like you are talking about. Full containers are best managed by CM. CM and containers are a perfect pairing.

                      If a server container is immutable, then why would there be need to actively manage the live configuration?

                      But IS it immutable? How often do you get that?

                      It doesn't matter.
                      It's like saying now that we have light bulbs, we no longer need electricity.

                      Edit, maybe that doesn't do my thought justice... electric wires maybe?

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @flaxking
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                        @flaxking said in Which is easier to learn Ansible or Chef or Puppet:

                        The whole container/CM thing is kind of at a weird place right now. With containers, we've sort of migrated back to the golden image thing, just with the pressure to create an image using a config file. I don't really like images on docker hub that don't have links to the dockerfile.

                        Yes, images that can't be tweaked without rebuilding. It's has benefits, and a lot of caveats. Having to deploy new containers for every patch is pretty silly. And so many things can't be immutable, including the platform on which the containers run.

                        At the end of the day, containers are either mutable, or immutable. The former need CM inside the container, the later need it outside the container.

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