Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong
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@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
So in a recent post @WrCombs is looking to setup a personal laptop to act as 1) His daily driver 2) a Hypervisor to setup test workloads for his job. Now @WrCombs don't take anything in this post to be an attack on you or your education to this point in time.
The laptop in question is Acer A114-31-C4HH with Windows 10 Home
The specific device is critically important as this device won't work in any reasonable fashion for the expectations. With that these are a few questions I have.
- What research was done ahead of time?
I made a post on ML
What Are You Doing Right Now- The Laptops I was given were out of price range due to unforeseen circumstances , Made the price range I had in mind Shrink. and I was so excited that I just pushed forward without taking into consideration that this could be a horrible mistake. Out side of that, I did not really look at it more than saying " this looks like itll work for work for now"- Is there a solid understanding of hardware basics to be making these types of decisions?
Solid understanding Roughly, No looking at it 4 GB Ram and 32 GB Storage is horrible in comparison to what I should be having.
- The hardware specifications are so subpar that the question has to be asked of @WrCombs what do you think would be reasonable to have in a laptop and perform the functions you're looking for?
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
- Is there something we can do to help you to educate yourself to avoid this kind of issue in the future?
Keep Coming to ML and Ask questions based on the multitude of Knowledge that Comes with the trolling and bashing .
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
Keep Coming to ML and Ask questions based on the multitude of Knowledge that Comes with the trolling and bashing .
Yep. Sometimes being FFS’d leads you in a direction where you can find wisdom.
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I made a post on ML What Are You Doing Right Now - The Laptops I was given were out of price range due to unforeseen circumstances , Made the price range I had in mind Shrink. and I was so excited that I just pushed forward without taking into consideration that this could be a horrible mistake. Out side of that, I did not really look at it more than saying " this looks like itll work for work for now"
So this isn't bad, but was a rush purchase. Maybe a black friday deal? Easily remedied but worth avoiding in the future if possible.
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
Solid understanding Roughly, No looking at it 4 GB Ram and 32 GB Storage is horrible in comparison to what I should be having.
But both of these limited on storage and RAM would greatly hamper the performance of this unit. The CPU is also an issue but one that can be lived with as generally these aren't interchangeable.
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
Again 4GB (technically 2GB is) of ram is the bare minimum for Windows 10 Pro but no one would reasonable consider using the bare minimum listed. So there isn't any reasonable way to expect to get more performance out of the same amount of ram when running multiple workloads.
Google Chome on an average day uses 4GB of ram on any device I touch.
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I made a post on ML
What Are You Doing Right Now- The Laptops I was given were out of price range due to unforeseen circumstances , Made the price range I had in mind Shrink. and I was so excited that I just pushed forward without taking into consideration that this could be a horrible mistake. Out side of that, I did not really look at it more than saying " this looks like itll work for work for now"A good process for anything, and a good thing for learning that process, would be to carefully think about and list out your goals...
Example here:
- Need a machine to use to log into work when on call.
- Work remote access software is X, supposedly only runs on Windows
- Want to play some RollerCoaster Tycoon and Minecraft
- Budget is X
- Would like it to be upgradable.
- Want to do virtualization.
Then get feedback and discuss options before buying. Post the actual equipment, so that people can review. Had you shown us the actual unit, we'd have stopped you instantly.
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
it's important to temper the decisions. Shooting too high (500GB when 120GB is fine) creates a situation where instead of making requirements, you end up making the requirements into jokes which in turn leads to giving up on requirements because they never really were and then saying "well okay, I guess 32GB is okay."
If your requirements aren't real, you won't treat them as real.
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You can make tiers, too.
Tier 1: Absolute need
Tier 2: Requirements if I am going to do a second task (virtualization) with the unit. -
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
it's important to temper the decisions. Shooting too high (500GB when 120GB is fine) creates a situation where instead of making requirements, you end up making the requirements into jokes which in turn leads to giving up on requirements because they never really were and then saying "well okay, I guess 32GB is okay."
If your requirements aren't real, you won't treat them as real.
Okay, well 120 GB is required in my opinion.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
You can make tiers, too.
Tier 1: Absolute need
Tier 2: Requirements if I am going to do a second task (virtualization) with the unit.That's good advice. thank you.
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@BRRABill said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
So in a recent post @WrCombs is looking to setup a personal laptop to act as 1) His daily driver 2) a Hypervisor to setup test workloads for his job. Now @WrCombs don't take anything in this post to be an attack on you or your education to this point in time.
Maybe ML needs a cone of shame like Exploding Kittens has.
now that's funny
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
it's important to temper the decisions. Shooting too high (500GB when 120GB is fine) creates a situation where instead of making requirements, you end up making the requirements into jokes which in turn leads to giving up on requirements because they never really were and then saying "well okay, I guess 32GB is okay."
If your requirements aren't real, you won't treat them as real.
Okay, well 120 GB is required in my opinion.
Define "required". Yesterday you were okay with 32GB. What makes 32GB acceptable yesterday, but 120GB required today?
How did you arrive at 120GB being a requirement? Remember, by definition, requirements can't slip. Desires can, requirements cannot.
I'm not saying that 120GB is bad, and maybe you need it. But it seems that your approach to requirements is somewhat arbitrary.
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Now you might come to 120GB as a "requirement" based on 64GB not being enough and there being nothing in between. But you should provide that logic when stating a requirement. Because the actual requirement might be 80GB and you might have overlooked an option.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
it's important to temper the decisions. Shooting too high (500GB when 120GB is fine) creates a situation where instead of making requirements, you end up making the requirements into jokes which in turn leads to giving up on requirements because they never really were and then saying "well okay, I guess 32GB is okay."
If your requirements aren't real, you won't treat them as real.
Okay, well 120 GB is required in my opinion.
Define "required". Yesterday you were okay with 32GB. What makes 32GB acceptable yesterday, but 120GB required today?
How did you arrive at 120GB being a requirement? Remember, by definition, requirements can't slip. Desires can, requirements cannot.
I'm not saying that 120GB is bad, and maybe you need it. But it seems that your approach to requirements is somewhat arbitrary.
Well as i said before - I thought 32 would work until I got a bigger SSD - SOmething like 120 GB was what I was thinking until it was brought to my attention that I cant upgrade those.
120GB - would give me enough to install Fedora on, and Install KVM and cockpit for Virtual Machines.
Or enough to install Windows 10 Pro and install Oracle VirtualBox for VM's.and It would allow me to save files I need - and not have to worry about space until the future.
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
it's important to temper the decisions. Shooting too high (500GB when 120GB is fine) creates a situation where instead of making requirements, you end up making the requirements into jokes which in turn leads to giving up on requirements because they never really were and then saying "well okay, I guess 32GB is okay."
If your requirements aren't real, you won't treat them as real.
Okay, well 120 GB is required in my opinion.
Define "required". Yesterday you were okay with 32GB. What makes 32GB acceptable yesterday, but 120GB required today?
How did you arrive at 120GB being a requirement? Remember, by definition, requirements can't slip. Desires can, requirements cannot.
I'm not saying that 120GB is bad, and maybe you need it. But it seems that your approach to requirements is somewhat arbitrary.
Well as i said before - I thought 32 would work until I got a bigger SSD - SOmething like 120 GB was what I was thinking until it was brought to my attention that I cant upgrade those.
120GB - would give me enough to install Fedora on, and Install KVM and cockpit for Virtual Machines.
Or enough to install Windows 10 Pro and install Oracle VirtualBox for VM's.and It would allow me to save files I need - and not have to worry about space until the future.
What about using an external drive? Your laptop can be small for when you need to work portably. Then just use an external drive (USB, SAN, whatever) for your VMs when you are at home and doing lab stuff?
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@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
it's important to temper the decisions. Shooting too high (500GB when 120GB is fine) creates a situation where instead of making requirements, you end up making the requirements into jokes which in turn leads to giving up on requirements because they never really were and then saying "well okay, I guess 32GB is okay."
If your requirements aren't real, you won't treat them as real.
Okay, well 120 GB is required in my opinion.
Define "required". Yesterday you were okay with 32GB. What makes 32GB acceptable yesterday, but 120GB required today?
How did you arrive at 120GB being a requirement? Remember, by definition, requirements can't slip. Desires can, requirements cannot.
I'm not saying that 120GB is bad, and maybe you need it. But it seems that your approach to requirements is somewhat arbitrary.
Well as i said before - I thought 32 would work until I got a bigger SSD - SOmething like 120 GB was what I was thinking until it was brought to my attention that I cant upgrade those.
120GB - would give me enough to install Fedora on, and Install KVM and cockpit for Virtual Machines.
Or enough to install Windows 10 Pro and install Oracle VirtualBox for VM's.and It would allow me to save files I need - and not have to worry about space until the future.
What about using an external drive? Your laptop can be small for when you need to work portably. Then just use an external drive (USB, SAN, whatever) for your VMs when you are at home and doing lab stuff?
That's an Idea, I hadn't thought of that.
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@WrCombs don't forget you are getting equipment from your uncle.
So take all of this conversation on how you could do things to be in addition to what you are going to be doing with a localized hypervisor from your laptop.
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@Dashrender all of these laptops you have support virtualization, right?
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Also, consider the low cost of building a dedicated lab server and not using a laptop for lab work. Laptops make expensive lab boxes if you have no need for the lab to be portable.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
Also, consider the low cost of building a dedicated lab server and not using a laptop for lab work. Laptops make expensive lab boxes if you have no need for the lab to be portable.
Well he is getting free gear. So the cost, although real if he was purchasing doesn't apply in this exact scenario.
