VM Suggestions? Best Practice?
-
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
What is everybody using? I've used Orcale VirtualBox in the past but had so many problems with it.
What kind of problems?
VBox is the most popular for this kind of thing, especially if you are using Windows Home where Hyper-V isn't available in a "local console" style that you would want.
KVM is really good for this.
Last time I used it, It wouldnt run properly, wouldn't update. I havent used it in a while.
Install with Chocolatey then. I've never seen an issue with VBox running or updating unless it was exposing a broken OS underneath.
That's how I installed it to begin with - For some reason it would not work for me the way I wanted it to .
Did your CPU support virtualization? That could be the only reason I could see it not working. Or maybe virtualization was disabled in BIOS. . .
In which case, nothing will work.
But it did work - Until it didn't.
Then you know the CPU features were there.
-
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
You mentioned you're using Windows on the desktop - use Hyper-V in Windows 10 Pro. Hopefully your boss didn't cheap out and get you a laptop with Windows 10 Home on it.
You also likely want at least 16 GB of RAM so you make sure you have plenty to share between your VMs and the main Windows 10 host OS.
You can download the trial version of Windows 10 and Windows Server to setup a lab environment in your VM setup on your machine.
The other issue you're likely to run into today is disk space. Windows 10 like 40+ GB of space, so your base(host) OS will need a min of 40 GB, and each new VM will likely want that much as well. I'd see about getting a 512 GB SSD in your new laptop if possible - you could even replace whatever it comes with an aftermarket drive if needed, they are getting pretty cheap now.
so upgrade Ram - get a Larger SSD and set up Hyper-v to run Vm's .
Sweet.
You have Pro?
yes, The laptop I am getting is Windows 10 Pro.
"Am getting?"
Why are you getting Pro for home? Home lab AD use?
Okay - Just looked at the amazon order - It is Windows 10 home (which is frustrating cause I thought it said pro)
"Am getting" as in in the mail - potentially going to be there tonight by 8:00 pm according to the Order tracking.,Okay so we're limited to VirtualBox or KVM on Linux.
Yup
-
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
-
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
-
So a Type 1 (KVM) or a Type 2 VirtualBox.
Both are still pretty simple, but do you want to go and install a Linux operating system and then have to install KVM? It's not difficult. Just more steps.
-
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
-
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
What tool?
-
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
-
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
What tool?
it's Called "Command Center"
Only runs on Windows according to the "paperwork" -
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
So uninstall Windows and install Linux, Ubuntu or Fedora and then install KVM and Virtual Machine Manager.
Create a Windows 10 Home VM and from there you have your portable lab.
-
For my own info.
If we went the KVM router. How would this look & get installed?- Install CentOS/Fedora etc with minimum install and a GUI.
- Enable KVM bit (Virtualization role I think?)
- Then use either Cockpit or Virt-Manager to create and "hop" into the consoles of the VM's to use them
@DustinB3403 Just answered it as I posted
:see-no-evil_monkey: :see-no-evil_monkey: -
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
You mentioned you're using Windows on the desktop - use Hyper-V in Windows 10 Pro. Hopefully your boss didn't cheap out and get you a laptop with Windows 10 Home on it.
This is my laptop - Not a work laptop.
This is for personal as well as business reasons.(that way they dont have a say in what I do on my Laptop )
In that case - Learn what you can, as fast as you can, then GTFO! The boss clearly doesn't actually desire smarter employees - he's pushing everything off on his support contracts - while that might be a good business decision, it's not good for you as an individual.
What do you suggest I do then? What should I focus on ?
We've been telling him this for quite a while.
Sure, telling me to leave for a while. But I'm Still learning and trying to soak up as much as I can, I'm in no position to leave, regardless of the politics I enjoy the job I'm doing and helping people, and even if my boss doesnt want smarter employees, that doesnt stop me from Being the hardest working and most involved- it especially doesn't stop me from learning and pushing to learn new things.
-
What you'll need to do though is download the Windows 10 Home iso of course as the installer tool won't work.
So maybe you build an ISO first before installing Linux, export that ISO to a USB. Then install Linux and go from there.
Copy the ISO to the store for KVM and build your VM from that.
-
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
You mentioned you're using Windows on the desktop - use Hyper-V in Windows 10 Pro. Hopefully your boss didn't cheap out and get you a laptop with Windows 10 Home on it.
This is my laptop - Not a work laptop.
This is for personal as well as business reasons.(that way they dont have a say in what I do on my Laptop )
In that case - Learn what you can, as fast as you can, then GTFO! The boss clearly doesn't actually desire smarter employees - he's pushing everything off on his support contracts - while that might be a good business decision, it's not good for you as an individual.
What do you suggest I do then? What should I focus on ?
We've been telling him this for quite a while.
Sure, telling me to leave for a while. But I'm Still learning and trying to soak up as much as I can, I'm in no position to leave, regardless of the politics I enjoy the job I'm doing and helping people, and even if my boss doesnt want smarter employees, that doesnt stop me from Being the hardest working and most involved- it especially doesn't stop me from learning and pushing to learn new things.
Download the Windows 10 media creation tool, create an ISO for your new laptop that is Windows 10 Home. Export that to a USB.
Install Fedora Workstation on your new laptop. Install KVM and Virt-Manager.
Create your Windows 10 VM from there and use it as required. Operate your day to day from the Fedora workstation
-
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
You mentioned you're using Windows on the desktop - use Hyper-V in Windows 10 Pro. Hopefully your boss didn't cheap out and get you a laptop with Windows 10 Home on it.
This is my laptop - Not a work laptop.
This is for personal as well as business reasons.(that way they dont have a say in what I do on my Laptop )
In that case - Learn what you can, as fast as you can, then GTFO! The boss clearly doesn't actually desire smarter employees - he's pushing everything off on his support contracts - while that might be a good business decision, it's not good for you as an individual.
What do you suggest I do then? What should I focus on ?
We've been telling him this for quite a while.
Sure, telling me to leave for a while. But I'm Still learning and trying to soak up as much as I can, I'm in no position to leave, regardless of the politics I enjoy the job I'm doing and helping people, and even if my boss doesnt want smarter employees, that doesnt stop me from Being the hardest working and most involved- it especially doesn't stop me from learning and pushing to learn new things.
Download the Windows 10 media creation tool, create an ISO for your new laptop that is Windows 10 Home. Export that to a USB.
I can do that
Install Fedora Workstation on your new laptop. Install KVM and Virt-Manager.
Fedora 27? 26?
Create your Windows 10 VM from there and use it as required. Operate your day to day from the Fedora workstation
I'm sure I can do that.
-
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
You mentioned you're using Windows on the desktop - use Hyper-V in Windows 10 Pro. Hopefully your boss didn't cheap out and get you a laptop with Windows 10 Home on it.
This is my laptop - Not a work laptop.
This is for personal as well as business reasons.(that way they dont have a say in what I do on my Laptop )
In that case - Learn what you can, as fast as you can, then GTFO! The boss clearly doesn't actually desire smarter employees - he's pushing everything off on his support contracts - while that might be a good business decision, it's not good for you as an individual.
What do you suggest I do then? What should I focus on ?
We've been telling him this for quite a while.
Sure, telling me to leave for a while. But I'm Still learning and trying to soak up as much as I can, I'm in no position to leave, regardless of the politics I enjoy the job I'm doing and helping people, and even if my boss doesnt want smarter employees, that doesnt stop me from Being the hardest working and most involved- it especially doesn't stop me from learning and pushing to learn new things.
Download the Windows 10 media creation tool, create an ISO for your new laptop that is Windows 10 Home. Export that to a USB.
I can do that
Install Fedora Workstation on your new laptop. Install KVM and Virt-Manager.
Fedora 27? 26?
Create your Windows 10 VM from there and use it as required. Operate your day to day from the Fedora workstation
I'm sure I can do that.
Always the most current is going to be recommended unless you have a very specific reason to be on an old version.
-
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
- That you need it in "some form" in no way implies you need it to be the base on the laptop.
- Are you sure that that remote tools requires or even favours Windows?
-
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
You mentioned you're using Windows on the desktop - use Hyper-V in Windows 10 Pro. Hopefully your boss didn't cheap out and get you a laptop with Windows 10 Home on it.
This is my laptop - Not a work laptop.
This is for personal as well as business reasons.(that way they dont have a say in what I do on my Laptop )
In that case - Learn what you can, as fast as you can, then GTFO! The boss clearly doesn't actually desire smarter employees - he's pushing everything off on his support contracts - while that might be a good business decision, it's not good for you as an individual.
What do you suggest I do then? What should I focus on ?
We've been telling him this for quite a while.
Sure, telling me to leave for a while. But I'm Still learning and trying to soak up as much as I can, I'm in no position to leave, regardless of the politics I enjoy the job I'm doing and helping people, and even if my boss doesnt want smarter employees, that doesnt stop me from Being the hardest working and most involved- it especially doesn't stop me from learning and pushing to learn new things.
Download the Windows 10 media creation tool, create an ISO for your new laptop that is Windows 10 Home. Export that to a USB.
I can do that
Install Fedora Workstation on your new laptop. Install KVM and Virt-Manager.
Fedora 27? 26?
Create your Windows 10 VM from there and use it as required. Operate your day to day from the Fedora workstation
I'm sure I can do that.
Always the most current is going to be recommended unless you have a very specific reason to be on an old version.
Fair enough, Learning Fedora will be fun .
-
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
That means "you don't need Windows 10 on the laptop", it will be just as good on KVM.
-
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
- That you need it in "some form" in no way implies you need it to be the base on the laptop.
- Are you sure that that remote tools requires or even favours Windows?
It requires windows according to developers ( I have customers who use it as well as us only for their sites that us MacOS but have to spin up a windows 10 VM to run it)
