Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.
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What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
Maybe you mentioned this earlier somewhere in here... but how much total data, and how much incrementally?
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@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
Maybe you mentioned this earlier somewhere in here... but how much total data, and how much incrementally?
Total full backup compressed is at 800GB (1.5TB non compressed). Still trying to get good idea of the incremental since I just setup the backup job on Friday. Right now the incremental is at 12-15GB.
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Ah, looks like this was already mentioned.
@SanWIN said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker
That's exactly what I wanted to suggest. You can use Veeam to put backups on StarWind VTL which can be uploaded to the cloud according to the retention policy. Check out here: https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-virtual-tape-libraryBut if you have your backups backed up via Veeam in a Veeam Backup Repository, this is what you're stuck with... somethign like this.
Otherwise, you're stuck downloading 1.5 TB or whatever if you need to restore a single file for example.
I mean, that's not the end of the world.. on-prem backups are for quick restores, off-prem like tape can be for disaster recovery.
If a server screws up, restore it from the local Veeam repo on your SAM-SD. If you lose the building in an earthquake, or lose a server + your Veeam Repo, then perhaps the longer time to restore is acceptable.
I didn't catch your bandwidth limitations, but 1.5 TB @ 100 mbps is 31.7 hours for each full backup done or each full backup change (w/o block change tracking).
If the daily/weekly/etc. incremental changes done are less than 400 GB, they can be set to upload every night/week/etc.
The virtual tape stuff actually makes it pretty easy. I know this because I'm doing it with real tapes, and I can only wish it was virtual.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You may have better luck with SW VTL.
This seems to be what I understand you are trying to accomplish:
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeamHere is the install guide. Wow, what a PITA. I never thought I would have to think about setting up tapes again.
This is how complex it is to NOT have tapes.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
The only means of getting away from the super high cost options is Starwind VTL.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Obsolesce said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You may have better luck with SW VTL.
This seems to be what I understand you are trying to accomplish:
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeamHere is the install guide. Wow, what a PITA. I never thought I would have to think about setting up tapes again.
This is how complex it is to NOT have tapes.
Yeah it's double the tape-adding, but IMO is still better than dealing with a ton of physical tapes and a single tape drive!
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I have some buddies who work at Unitrends in their Engineer dept. that can help talk some things through if you need.
also I know some end users I can refer you to if you want some references that use Unitrends for the same.
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Looks like there is going to be some increased cloud backup flexibility with Veeam update 4. Veeam is announcing the updated features tomorrow. Could be exactly what I need.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
Just use Cloudberry and not Veeam.
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
Just use Cloudberry and not Veeam.
Haha, this post pointed me in the direction of Veeam. I’ve already purchased Veeam. I now wished I looked into Nakivo and CloudBerry more before I pulled the trigger.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
Just use Cloudberry and not Veeam.
Haha, this post pointed me in the direction of Veeam. I’ve already purchased Veeam. I now wished I looked into Nakivo and CloudBerry more before I pulled the trigger.
I love Veeam, but if you want to have low bandwidth needs for offsite, then you need to step up to the entrprise version and ro an integrated hosted service.
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
Just use Cloudberry and not Veeam.
Haha, this post pointed me in the direction of Veeam. I’ve already purchased Veeam. I now wished I looked into Nakivo and CloudBerry more before I pulled the trigger.
I love Veeam, but if you want to have low bandwidth needs for offsite, then you need to step up to the entrprise version and ro an integrated hosted service.
I got the Enterprise version. What is ro? You referring to a cloud connect partner?
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@ysapir said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
I have some buddies who work at Unitrends in their Engineer dept. that can help talk some things through if you need.
also I know some end users I can refer you to if you want some references that use Unitrends for the same.
and if you need any other options let me know...I love these types of projects.Thanks for your comment, but I realized Unitrends was not going to work out for me. Other players such as Veeam, Nakivo, Cloudberry are better options for me.
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@magicmarker
yessir! I am a big Veeam fan if you don't want an appliance . Their sfotware and Cloud hosted solutions do well also. They make it easy to use the Cloud Connect.
I am in the position where I see so many demos and so many solutions and Veeam typically knocks it out of the park . Arcserve is a good option in comparison and been around a long time.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
What other options can someone point me in the direction of for good priced Veeam offsite storage other than the main AWS and Azure options. The Starwind VTL option to BackBlaze is not very attractive right now. I thought I was going to be able to do this with CloudBerry on my SAM-SD, but that seems like it's going to kill my upload bandwidth since it's not in sync with the Veeam backup job.
Just use Cloudberry and not Veeam.
Haha, this post pointed me in the direction of Veeam. I’ve already purchased Veeam. I now wished I looked into Nakivo and CloudBerry more before I pulled the trigger.
I love Veeam, but if you want to have low bandwidth needs for offsite, then you need to step up to the entrprise version and ro an integrated hosted service.
I got the Enterprise version. What is ro? You referring to a cloud connect partner?
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I love Veeam, but if you want to have low bandwidth needs for offsite, then you need to step up to the entrprise version
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You don't. You are mixing two different backup solutions.
@JaredBusch This is such a simple comment, but it's really the best response. I really don't want to setup tapes ever again, even if it's virtual. I've already purchased Veeam Enterprise, but the path to put Veeam backups to the cloud is best done through cloud connect partners or Starwind VTL. CCP's are expensive and Starwind VTL is a PITA setup. Here is a thought...continue to use Veeam to backup to my SAM-SD repo. Then I would install CloudBerry managed backup service on 21 of my important VM's to just backup to Backblaze B2 for offsite backup. The CloudBerry managed backup is priced at $25/per Windows VM with the volume discount.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You don't. You are mixing two different backup solutions.
@JaredBusch This is such a simple comment, but it's really the best response. I really don't want to setup tapes ever again, even if it's virtual. I've already purchased Veeam Enterprise, but the path to put Veeam backups to the cloud is best done through cloud connect partners or Starwind VTL. CCP's are expensive and Starwind VTL is a PITA setup. Here is a thought...continue to use Veeam to backup to my SAM-SD repo. Then I would install CloudBerry managed backup service on 21 of my important VM's to just backup to Backblaze B2 for offsite backup. The CloudBerry managed backup is priced at $25/per Windows VM with the volume discount.
There is nothing wrong with two separate solutions like this. Just make sure the schedules are set at times that the do not conflict because they are both trying to create snaps and such.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You don't. You are mixing two different backup solutions.
@JaredBusch This is such a simple comment, but it's really the best response. I really don't want to setup tapes ever again, even if it's virtual. I've already purchased Veeam Enterprise, but the path to put Veeam backups to the cloud is best done through cloud connect partners or Starwind VTL. CCP's are expensive and Starwind VTL is a PITA setup. Here is a thought...continue to use Veeam to backup to my SAM-SD repo. Then I would install CloudBerry managed backup service on 21 of my important VM's to just backup to Backblaze B2 for offsite backup. The CloudBerry managed backup is priced at $25/per Windows VM with the volume discount.
This is exactly why I wouldn't use Veeam, well one of the major reasons. If you are using actual tape with no cloud in mind, it's great and more affordable. I love Veeam for its tape capabilities, which is why I did not go with Unitrends.
My preferred method is SCDPM because it just works so wonderfully well with onprem, tape, and cloud all together. It's expensive though.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch This is such a simple comment, but it's really the best response. I really don't want to setup tapes ever again, even if it's virtual. I've already purchased Veeam Enterprise, but the path to put Veeam backups to the cloud is best done through cloud connect partners or Starwind VTL. CCP's are expensive and Starwind VTL is a PITA setup. Here is a thought...continue to use Veeam to backup to my SAM-SD repo. Then I would install CloudBerry managed backup service on 21 of my important VM's to just backup to Backblaze B2 for offsite backup. The CloudBerry managed backup is priced at $25/per Windows VM with the volume discount.
Using a Cloud Connect Partner is simple but not cheap.
Another option would be to buy an iosafe (Fireproof and Waterproof). You can then create a Backup Copy Job of your SAM-SD repository for DR purposes using Veeam.
Cloud storage with a Cloud Connect Partner is nice but is it mandatory? It very well may be.
