Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.
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@wrx7m said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker If you look at amazon s3/glacier you can use their VTL that integrates directly with Veeam. I am currently just using a local NAS with a utility running on Windows that maps a drive to an S3 bucket. I then have a comparison software (Beyond Compare) that will copy the backup files to S3 based on scheduled tasks. It works well, but I would like to move to the VTL option.
Have you attempted to restore from glacier yet? If so how well did it go?
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Yeah I use pip on our windows servers and upload directories constantly.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Are these any kind of differential copies to B2 or just full on copies?
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@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Are these any kind of differential copies to B2 or just full on copies?
Using the API it's just a direct copy, you can do changes etc with it as well if you wanted. But the default sync is a direct copy.
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@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Are these any kind of differential copies to B2 or just full on copies?
They are full on copies which is why I always, always, always, keep saying that things like CBT and remote reassembly are important.
Veeam can do that with "standard" setups where there is a Veeam agent running on the remote storage.
But how Can I have something like this done when it is a file copy.
Let's forget remote and just focus on how Veeam does backups.
First it performs a full backup.
Then everyday it performs an incremental.
Great, simple and easy.But then it hits the retention period you set for full backups.
So no it makes a new incremental for the day.
Then it takes the oldest incremental and merges it back into the full backup.This means you now have to offsite a new full backup and an incremental today.
Goodbye bandwitdh.
Now for something like a remote Veeam repository, Veeam simply sends todays incremental like always and then tells the remote agent to rebuild the full just like it did locally. I assume it has some built in checks but honestly never looked that close. SO the new full is created on the remote erpository without having to send a new full.
That kind of process does not work with b2 storage.
So, the question for any product that lets you tie in a cloud target is, how does it handle this?
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
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@JaredBusch Very nice. Now would install Cloudberry on the Veeam server, or the SAM-SD to replicate to Backblaze B2?
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch Very nice. Now would install Cloudberry on the Veeam server, or the SAM-SD to replicate to Backblaze B2?
Well if you're wanting to follow the 3-2-1 rule, you'd run this from the SAM-SD
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Are these any kind of differential copies to B2 or just full on copies?
They are full on copies which is why I always, always, always, keep saying that things like CBT and remote reassembly are important.
Veeam can do that with "standard" setups where there is a Veeam agent running on the remote storage.
But how Can I have something like this done when it is a file copy.
Let's forget remote and just focus on how Veeam does backups.
First it performs a full backup.
Then everyday it performs an incremental.
Great, simple and easy.But then it hits the retention period you set for full backups.
So no it makes a new incremental for the day.
Then it takes the oldest incremental and merges it back into the full backup.This means you now have to offsite a new full backup and an incremental today.
Goodbye bandwitdh.
Now for something like a remote Veeam repository, Veeam simply sends todays incremental like always and then tells the remote agent to rebuild the full just like it did locally. I assume it has some built in checks but honestly never looked that close. SO the new full is created on the remote erpository without having to send a new full.
That kind of process does not work with b2 storage.
So, the question for any product that lets you tie in a cloud target is, how does it handle this?
Thank you - this was my exact question.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch Very nice. Now would install Cloudberry on the Veeam server, or the SAM-SD to replicate to Backblaze B2?
I don't know how Cloudberry would handle the Veeam repo - I suppose Cloudberry could make it's own backups of the Veeam backup, then it would have incrementals of that, but when that merge happens JB mentioned - I wonder how much would change ? How big would the new incremental be for Cloudberry?
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@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch Very nice. Now would install Cloudberry on the Veeam server, or the SAM-SD to replicate to Backblaze B2?
I don't know how Cloudberry would handle the Veeam repo - I suppose Cloudberry could make it's own backups of the Veeam backup...
If you use CloudBerry Backup, of course. It's a backup system like any other.
If you use CloudBerry drive and just make the remote site a copy of Veeam, then no.
Question is, do you want the extra site to be a sync or a backup.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch Very nice. Now would install Cloudberry on the Veeam server, or the SAM-SD to replicate to Backblaze B2?
I don't know how Cloudberry would handle the Veeam repo - I suppose Cloudberry could make it's own backups of the Veeam backup...
If you use CloudBerry Backup, of course. It's a backup system like any other.
If you use CloudBerry drive and just make the remote site a copy of Veeam, then no.
Question is, do you want the extra site to be a sync or a backup.
I think you are saying - if you're using CloudBerry as a backup - you simply skip Veeam altogether. yeah, that's what I was thinking when JB said it was a backup product. You just use CloudBerry everywhere to do your backups.
Does CloudBerry have it's own online solution? I'm assuming so since JB mentioned they could do an incremental rollup in the cloud - but I missed it specifically being mentioned if they do have their own cloud component.
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@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch Very nice. Now would install Cloudberry on the Veeam server, or the SAM-SD to replicate to Backblaze B2?
I don't know how Cloudberry would handle the Veeam repo - I suppose Cloudberry could make it's own backups of the Veeam backup...
If you use CloudBerry Backup, of course. It's a backup system like any other.
If you use CloudBerry drive and just make the remote site a copy of Veeam, then no.
Question is, do you want the extra site to be a sync or a backup.
I think you are saying - if you're using CloudBerry as a backup - you simply skip Veeam altogether. yeah, that's what I was thinking when JB said it was a backup product. You just use CloudBerry everywhere to do your backups.
Does CloudBerry have it's own online solution? I'm assuming so since JB mentioned they could do an incremental rollup in the cloud - but I missed it specifically being mentioned if they do have their own cloud component.
CloudBerry makes several things, but not their own storage. They make a backup tool which you can use instead of Veeam, or to back up the Veeam system. Whatever you like. Or you can use it just to create accessible cloud based storage that appears like a local disk so that Veeam can back up to the cloud.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
CloudBerry makes several things, but not their own storage. They make a backup tool which you can use instead of Veeam, or to back up the Veeam system. Whatever you like. Or you can use it just to create accessible cloud based storage that appears like a local disk so that Veeam can back up to the cloud.
Very interesting. I planned to install Cloudberry backup on the SD-WAN box to just backup the Veeam repository folder. You are saying you can use Cloudberry to present the Backblaze B2 storage to have Veeam backup to directly?
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
You are saying you can use Cloudberry to present the Backblaze B2 storage to have Veeam backup to directly?
Assuming this is correct - how does the rollup work this that situation? with local storage, I assume there will be a ton of disk usage and traffic between the CPU and disk. If you're doing this on B2 with something that basically looks like a local disk - I assume that the network will have the crap beat out of it?
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@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
You are saying you can use Cloudberry to present the Backblaze B2 storage to have Veeam backup to directly?
Assuming this is correct - how does the rollup work this that situation? with local storage, I assume there will be a ton of disk usage and traffic between the CPU and disk. If you're doing this on B2 with something that basically looks like a local disk - I assume that the network will have the crap beat out of it?
That is what I wan tto know.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
CloudBerry makes several things, but not their own storage. They make a backup tool which you can use instead of Veeam, or to back up the Veeam system. Whatever you like. Or you can use it just to create accessible cloud based storage that appears like a local disk so that Veeam can back up to the cloud.
Very interesting. I planned to install Cloudberry backup on the SD-WAN box to just backup the Veeam repository folder. You are saying you can use Cloudberry to present the Backblaze B2 storage to have Veeam backup to directly?
To ARCHIVE to directly, yes. Not to use as its D2D cache.
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@JaredBusch
Exactly, that is the problem with simple synchronization and Veeam Repositories. I have been thinking of using restic (or borg) to backup as restic's Content Defined Chunking only stores blocks once and should not be affected that much by Veeam's retention merges.
Also, restic can mount the backups with fuse(Edit: spelling)
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
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