Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.
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@travisdh1 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@DustinB3403 said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker you could easily use the CLI it's a single line command and just have it run daily/weekly or whatever.
Alternatives include any solution that works with BackBlaze. Like CloudBerry (Not an endorsement, just one I recall off the top of my head)
I use Duplicati. The lazy me likes the web based interface it provides.
With duplicati aren't you forced to use duplicati to restore because it isn't a sync client. But a backup client?
Q: Can Duplicati store plain files instead of inside compressed folders? A: No. Duplicati is a backup tool, not a file sync tool. If you simply sync your files, you need to be certain that the system that you are storing the files on can handle the same as your local files. For example you cannot store data from a case-sensitive filesystem on a server with a case-insensitive file system. -
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeam
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeam
Thanks Jared. I was already on the website reading this when you posted this link.
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@magicmarker If you look at amazon s3/glacier you can use their VTL that integrates directly with Veeam. I am currently just using a local NAS with a utility running on Windows that maps a drive to an S3 bucket. I then have a comparison software (Beyond Compare) that will copy the backup files to S3 based on scheduled tasks. It works well, but I would like to move to the VTL option.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/resource-library/starwind-vtl-for-backblaze-b2-and-veeam
Thanks Jared. I was already on the website reading this when you posted this link.
https://rhyshammond.com/veeam-backblaze-b2-create-the-backblaze-b2-bucket/
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
https://rhyshammond.com/veeam-backblaze-b2-create-the-backblaze-b2-bucket/
This link is for when backing up to a Synology though. I plan on using a SAM-SD.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
https://rhyshammond.com/veeam-backblaze-b2-create-the-backblaze-b2-bucket/
This link is for when backing up to a Synology though. I plan on using a SAM-SD.
Didn't see that when I skimmed the headline.
Clicked in and saw the screens of B2 and jsut posted. my bad. -
I'm now doing a U-turn and looking at Veeam again. My new plan is to go with Veeam Enterprise. My Veeam repository will be a SAM-SD for local backups. Then for $80 I can install Cloudberry on the SAM-SD and replicate Veeam local backups to BackBlaze B2. Thanks everyone for the insight. Thanks for steering me in the right direction. The Unitrends deal was looking good on paper, and didn't like having to make a decision based on the Unitrends sales rep year end numbers. Let me mention that the Unitrends sales staff are absolutely relentless. Almost as annoying as Know4Be before sales reps.
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@wrx7m said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker If you look at amazon s3/glacier you can use their VTL that integrates directly with Veeam. I am currently just using a local NAS with a utility running on Windows that maps a drive to an S3 bucket. I then have a comparison software (Beyond Compare) that will copy the backup files to S3 based on scheduled tasks. It works well, but I would like to move to the VTL option.
Have you attempted to restore from glacier yet? If so how well did it go?
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Yeah I use pip on our windows servers and upload directories constantly.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Are these any kind of differential copies to B2 or just full on copies?
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@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Are these any kind of differential copies to B2 or just full on copies?
Using the API it's just a direct copy, you can do changes etc with it as well if you wanted. But the default sync is a direct copy.
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@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Are these any kind of differential copies to B2 or just full on copies?
They are full on copies which is why I always, always, always, keep saying that things like CBT and remote reassembly are important.
Veeam can do that with "standard" setups where there is a Veeam agent running on the remote storage.
But how Can I have something like this done when it is a file copy.
Let's forget remote and just focus on how Veeam does backups.
First it performs a full backup.
Then everyday it performs an incremental.
Great, simple and easy.But then it hits the retention period you set for full backups.
So no it makes a new incremental for the day.
Then it takes the oldest incremental and merges it back into the full backup.This means you now have to offsite a new full backup and an incremental today.
Goodbye bandwitdh.
Now for something like a remote Veeam repository, Veeam simply sends todays incremental like always and then tells the remote agent to rebuild the full just like it did locally. I assume it has some built in checks but honestly never looked that close. SO the new full is created on the remote erpository without having to send a new full.
That kind of process does not work with b2 storage.
So, the question for any product that lets you tie in a cloud target is, how does it handle this?
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
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@JaredBusch Very nice. Now would install Cloudberry on the Veeam server, or the SAM-SD to replicate to Backblaze B2?
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch Very nice. Now would install Cloudberry on the Veeam server, or the SAM-SD to replicate to Backblaze B2?
Well if you're wanting to follow the 3-2-1 rule, you'd run this from the SAM-SD
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@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Are these any kind of differential copies to B2 or just full on copies?
They are full on copies which is why I always, always, always, keep saying that things like CBT and remote reassembly are important.
Veeam can do that with "standard" setups where there is a Veeam agent running on the remote storage.
But how Can I have something like this done when it is a file copy.
Let's forget remote and just focus on how Veeam does backups.
First it performs a full backup.
Then everyday it performs an incremental.
Great, simple and easy.But then it hits the retention period you set for full backups.
So no it makes a new incremental for the day.
Then it takes the oldest incremental and merges it back into the full backup.This means you now have to offsite a new full backup and an incremental today.
Goodbye bandwitdh.
Now for something like a remote Veeam repository, Veeam simply sends todays incremental like always and then tells the remote agent to rebuild the full just like it did locally. I assume it has some built in checks but honestly never looked that close. SO the new full is created on the remote erpository without having to send a new full.
That kind of process does not work with b2 storage.
So, the question for any product that lets you tie in a cloud target is, how does it handle this?
Thank you - this was my exact question.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch Very nice. Now would install Cloudberry on the Veeam server, or the SAM-SD to replicate to Backblaze B2?
I don't know how Cloudberry would handle the Veeam repo - I suppose Cloudberry could make it's own backups of the Veeam backup, then it would have incrementals of that, but when that merge happens JB mentioned - I wonder how much would change ? How big would the new incremental be for Cloudberry?
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@Dashrender said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch Very nice. Now would install Cloudberry on the Veeam server, or the SAM-SD to replicate to Backblaze B2?
I don't know how Cloudberry would handle the Veeam repo - I suppose Cloudberry could make it's own backups of the Veeam backup...
If you use CloudBerry Backup, of course. It's a backup system like any other.
If you use CloudBerry drive and just make the remote site a copy of Veeam, then no.
Question is, do you want the extra site to be a sync or a backup.
