Fedora Love

Emad R

I'm tentatively moving into my replacement daily driver - a Fedora Cinnamon Spin flavoured PC. ScreenConnect was problematic until I found @JaredBusch 's post "How to run JNLP files on Fedora Cinnamon with Firefox"

Any love for Flatpak or are most sticking with the native DNF + repos?

I tried them but ended using snaps, wanted to install slack and had some issues under LXqt only snap behaved well.

Also this COPR addons are interesting:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/

warren.stanley

@Emad-R COPR feels a bit like attempts to emulate Ubuntu's use of 3rd party repos? I've seen some interesting projects mentioned in Fedora Magazine

Thanks for the heads-up @JaredBusch , I'll watch that space. I do appreciate the input from everyone actually using and testing this stuff.

JaredBusch

@Emad-R said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley said in Fedora Love:

I'm tentatively moving into my replacement daily driver - a Fedora Cinnamon Spin flavoured PC. ScreenConnect was problematic until I found @JaredBusch 's post "How to run JNLP files on Fedora Cinnamon with Firefox"

Any love for Flatpak or are most sticking with the native DNF + repos?

I tried them but ended using snaps, wanted to install slack and had some issues under LXqt only snap behaved well.

Also this COPR addons are interesting:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/

I do not understand COPR. Most people that can build anrpm will just do so and host it. I mean I don't browse the repo list looking for software to install. I hear about it here or elsewhere and then go to the vendor website and follow their install guide.

If said vendor is going to make a rpm, they can just host it themselves and tell people to dnf install https://some.url

Then they can look at getting in to the Fedora repos directly.
Or if there are some non-free sub components, they can get in the RPM Fusion repos.

black3dynamite

@JaredBusch said in Fedora Love:

@Emad-R said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley said in Fedora Love:

I'm tentatively moving into my replacement daily driver - a Fedora Cinnamon Spin flavoured PC. ScreenConnect was problematic until I found @JaredBusch 's post "How to run JNLP files on Fedora Cinnamon with Firefox"

Any love for Flatpak or are most sticking with the native DNF + repos?

I tried them but ended using snaps, wanted to install slack and had some issues under LXqt only snap behaved well.

Also this COPR addons are interesting:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/

I do not understand COPR. Most people that can build anrpm will just do so and host it. I mean I don't browse the repo list looking for software to install. I hear about it here or elsewhere and then go to the vendor website and follow their install guide.

If said vendor is going to make a rpm, they can just host it themselves and tell people to dnf install https://some.url

Then they can look at getting in to the Fedora repos directly.
Or if there are some non-free sub components, they can get in the RPM Fusion repos.

It sounds like it does all the hard work into building your packages and repo.

I remember needed to used copr to install restic. Now you can install it directly from Fedora repo.

JaredBusch

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

@JaredBusch said in Fedora Love:

@Emad-R said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley said in Fedora Love:

I'm tentatively moving into my replacement daily driver - a Fedora Cinnamon Spin flavoured PC. ScreenConnect was problematic until I found @JaredBusch 's post "How to run JNLP files on Fedora Cinnamon with Firefox"

Any love for Flatpak or are most sticking with the native DNF + repos?

I tried them but ended using snaps, wanted to install slack and had some issues under LXqt only snap behaved well.

Also this COPR addons are interesting:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/

I do not understand COPR. Most people that can build anrpm will just do so and host it. I mean I don't browse the repo list looking for software to install. I hear about it here or elsewhere and then go to the vendor website and follow their install guide.

If said vendor is going to make a rpm, they can just host it themselves and tell people to dnf install https://some.url

Then they can look at getting in to the Fedora repos directly.
Or if there are some non-free sub components, they can get in the RPM Fusion repos.

It sounds like it does all the hard work into building your packages and repo.

I remember needed to used copr to install restic. Now you can install it directly from Fedora repo.

I used COPR once when I was still running Korora 25 to add some package that was not available in the normal repositories. Then when I redid it, i jsut installed it direct without COPR. Wish I could recall WTF it was..

warren.stanley

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

@JaredBusch said in Fedora Love:

@Emad-R said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley said in Fedora Love:

I'm tentatively moving into my replacement daily driver - a Fedora Cinnamon Spin flavoured PC. ScreenConnect was problematic until I found @JaredBusch 's post "How to run JNLP files on Fedora Cinnamon with Firefox"

Any love for Flatpak or are most sticking with the native DNF + repos?

I tried them but ended using snaps, wanted to install slack and had some issues under LXqt only snap behaved well.

Also this COPR addons are interesting:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/

I do not understand COPR. Most people that can build anrpm will just do so and host it. I mean I don't browse the repo list looking for software to install. I hear about it here or elsewhere and then go to the vendor website and follow their install guide.

If said vendor is going to make a rpm, they can just host it themselves and tell people to dnf install https://some.url

Then they can look at getting in to the Fedora repos directly.
Or if there are some non-free sub components, they can get in the RPM Fusion repos.

It sounds like it does all the hard work into building your packages and repo.

I remember needed to used copr to install restic. Now you can install it directly from Fedora repo.

Is it for Extra-Bleeding-Edge apps (not yet / not likely to ever be in the Fedora Repos)??
The COPR Project page also mentions:

"NOTE: Copr is not yet officially supported by Fedora Infrastructure."

I get the feeling focus will move towards distro independent package installation solutions. Until then I think I'll stick with DNF, RPM Fusion and maybe selective Flatpak use.

black3dynamite

@warren-stanley said in Fedora Love:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

@JaredBusch said in Fedora Love:

@Emad-R said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley said in Fedora Love:

I'm tentatively moving into my replacement daily driver - a Fedora Cinnamon Spin flavoured PC. ScreenConnect was problematic until I found @JaredBusch 's post "How to run JNLP files on Fedora Cinnamon with Firefox"

Any love for Flatpak or are most sticking with the native DNF + repos?

I tried them but ended using snaps, wanted to install slack and had some issues under LXqt only snap behaved well.

Also this COPR addons are interesting:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/

I do not understand COPR. Most people that can build anrpm will just do so and host it. I mean I don't browse the repo list looking for software to install. I hear about it here or elsewhere and then go to the vendor website and follow their install guide.

If said vendor is going to make a rpm, they can just host it themselves and tell people to dnf install https://some.url

Then they can look at getting in to the Fedora repos directly.
Or if there are some non-free sub components, they can get in the RPM Fusion repos.

It sounds like it does all the hard work into building your packages and repo.

I remember needed to used copr to install restic. Now you can install it directly from Fedora repo.

Is it for Extra-Bleeding-Edge apps (not yet / not likely to ever be in the Fedora Repos)??
The COPR Project page also mentions:

"NOTE: Copr is not yet officially supported by Fedora Infrastructure."

I get the feeling focus will move towards distro independent package installation solutions. Until then I think I'll stick with DNF, RPM Fusion and maybe selective Flatpak use.

I’ve only used one app from there because it wasn’t available in Fedora repo at that time. Just like I would with RPM Fusion repo.

With Fedora Workstation there is an option to enable certain 3rd party repo like Chrome, PyCharm (copr repo) and steam.
https://fedoramagazine.org/third-party-repositories-fedora/

Also Flatpak is enable by default too.

But it’s up to you if you want enable those repo, use a different repo or add flathub so you can install Flatpak apps.

black3dynamite

Damn, that was a challenge typing that on a phone.

warren.stanley

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

Damn, that was a challenge typing that on a phone.

Haha! You did well

I'd seen the article on the inclusion of select 3rd party repos with Workstation, this piqued my interest on revisiting Fedora. ScreenConnect was my drama though, hence Cinnamon. I've been doing digging on what these Repo changes actually are and how to enact on Cinnamon (given no Gnome and if that mattered) .

I've just been looking at a posting on the Fedora Forums talking about it . Seems that there's differences from what you get enabling through Workstation (and Gnome Software) and using sudo dnf install fedora-workstation-repositories on other Spins.

black3dynamite

@warren-stanley said in Fedora Love:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

Damn, that was a challenge typing that on a phone.

Haha! You did well

I'd seen the article on the inclusion of select 3rd party repos with Workstation, this piqued my interest on revisiting Fedora. ScreenConnect was my drama though, hence Cinnamon. I've been doing digging on what these Repo changes actually are and how to enact on Cinnamon (given no Gnome and if that mattered) .

I've just been looking at a posting on the Fedora Forums talking about it . Seems that there's differences from what you get enabling through Workstation (and Gnome Software) and using sudo dnf install fedora-workstation-repositories on other Spins.

ScreenConnect doesn’t work well or at all on Fedora workstation because of Wayland, which is the default display server protocol. You have to switch to xorg or just disable Wayland instead. Cinnamon doesn’t only use x11/xorg.

JaredBusch

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley said in Fedora Love:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

Damn, that was a challenge typing that on a phone.

Haha! You did well

I'd seen the article on the inclusion of select 3rd party repos with Workstation, this piqued my interest on revisiting Fedora. ScreenConnect was my drama though, hence Cinnamon. I've been doing digging on what these Repo changes actually are and how to enact on Cinnamon (given no Gnome and if that mattered) .

I've just been looking at a posting on the Fedora Forums talking about it . Seems that there's differences from what you get enabling through Workstation (and Gnome Software) and using sudo dnf install fedora-workstation-repositories on other Spins.

ScreenConnect doesn’t work well or at all on Fedora workstation because of Wayland, which is the default display server protocol. You have to switch to xorg or just disable Wayland instead. Cinnamon doesn’t only use x11/xorg.

Don't know what you are talking about. I've been Korora/Fedora for over almost 2 years now and have always used ScreenConnect.

black3dynamite

@JaredBusch said in Fedora Love:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley said in Fedora Love:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

Damn, that was a challenge typing that on a phone.

Haha! You did well

I'd seen the article on the inclusion of select 3rd party repos with Workstation, this piqued my interest on revisiting Fedora. ScreenConnect was my drama though, hence Cinnamon. I've been doing digging on what these Repo changes actually are and how to enact on Cinnamon (given no Gnome and if that mattered) .

I've just been looking at a posting on the Fedora Forums talking about it . Seems that there's differences from what you get enabling through Workstation (and Gnome Software) and using sudo dnf install fedora-workstation-repositories on other Spins.

ScreenConnect doesn’t work well or at all on Fedora workstation because of Wayland, which is the default display server protocol. You have to switch to xorg or just disable Wayland instead. Cinnamon doesn’t only use x11/xorg.

Don't know what you are talking about. I've been Korora/Fedora for over almost 2 years now and have always used ScreenConnect.

It worked because you were using xorg and not Wayland. Fedora workstation, the gnome version is using Wayland by default.

Emad R

@warren-stanley

Interesting concept when snaps and flatpacks take over, would it matter to have Fedora or Ubuntu ?

scottalanmiller

@Emad-R said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley

Interesting concept when snaps and flatpacks take over, would it matter to have Fedora or Ubuntu ?

Snaps and Flatpack are already here and are nothing but "yet another packaging format." Fedora vs Ubuntu differences still remain. They aren't separated primarily by their package managers.

black3dynamite

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Love:

@Emad-R said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley

Interesting concept when snaps and flatpacks take over, would it matter to have Fedora or Ubuntu ?

Snaps and Flatpack are already here and are nothing but "yet another packaging format." Fedora vs Ubuntu differences still remain. They aren't separated primarily by their package managers.

The one different with snap on Fedora compare to ubuntu is that SELinux can cause issues with snap apps.

scottalanmiller

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Love:

@Emad-R said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley

Interesting concept when snaps and flatpacks take over, would it matter to have Fedora or Ubuntu ?

Snaps and Flatpack are already here and are nothing but "yet another packaging format." Fedora vs Ubuntu differences still remain. They aren't separated primarily by their package managers.

The one different with snap on Fedora compare to ubuntu is that SELinux can cause issues with snap apps.

If you don't want that, though, just turn it off. Then you are in the same boat as Ubuntu without it anyway.

warren.stanley

@Emad-R I think there's subtle differences, especially relating to seamless integration with particular distros. This might be down to the differences / approaches @scottalanmiller mentioned between the distros (and if the developers have a particular distro persuasion one way or the other - despite aiming to be agnostic)

I stumbled across Alexander Larrson's blog, interesting reading, even a Flatpak on WSL post!

I just hope that maybe, given these are fresh initiatives in a time of ever-increasing current security and privacy concerns, we're going to benefit from a better way of doing things?

black3dynamite

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Love:

@black3dynamite said in Fedora Love:

@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Love:

@Emad-R said in Fedora Love:

@warren-stanley

Interesting concept when snaps and flatpacks take over, would it matter to have Fedora or Ubuntu ?

Snaps and Flatpack are already here and are nothing but "yet another packaging format." Fedora vs Ubuntu differences still remain. They aren't separated primarily by their package managers.

The one different with snap on Fedora compare to ubuntu is that SELinux can cause issues with snap apps.

If you don't want that, though, just turn it off. Then you are in the same boat as Ubuntu without it anyway.

Yeah, SELinux is disabled on my Fedora workstation. Too many annoying crashes because of it. I’m all good with keeping in enabled on my server installs.