Adding tape drive
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The reason that we use "starting point" as OBR10 is because a few reasons...
- With spinners it is the "most commonly correct choice". So if you were to randomly throw the dart, it's the choice most likely to be hit correctly.
- If you mess up and choose the wrong RAID level, OBR10 is at least a reasonable and safe fallback. When wrong, it's not so wrong. Meaning, the risks of choosing OBR10 when, say, OBR6 is better for you, is minor. But choosing OBR5 when OBR10 is best for you could be a disaster. The only risks to OBR10 are about overspending up front. Whereas the risks to OBR5 could be losing tonnes of critical data.
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@scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:
The reason that we use "starting point" as OBR10 is because a few reasons...
- With spinners it is the "most commonly correct choice". So if you were to randomly throw the dart, it's the choice most likely to be hit correctly.
- If you mess up and choose the wrong RAID level, OBR10 is at least a reasonable and safe fallback. When wrong, it's not so wrong. Meaning, the risks of choosing OBR10 when, say, OBR6 is better for you, is minor. But choosing OBR5 when OBR10 is best for you could be a disaster. The only risks to OBR10 are about overspending up front. Whereas the risks to OBR5 could be losing tonnes of critical data.
tonnes? how much does data weigh?
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is this a good drive?
Also, If I am considering the cloud as an option, what is the prefered way to get backups into the cloud? it seems like VTL is one way to go, but I can't tell if that is appropriate for my situation because I have zero existing tape infrastructure. I can do something like copy to a synology, and then just sync that with backblaze. Thoughts?
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@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
is this a good drive?
Also, If I am considering the cloud as an option, what is the prefered way to get backups into the cloud? it seems like VTL is one way to go, but I can't tell if that is appropriate for my situation because I have zero existing tape infrastructure. I can do something like copy to a synology, and then just sync that with backblaze. Thoughts?
VTL doesn't get you to a cloud store, it just makes a cloud store look like tape when your backup won't talk to cloud.
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@scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:
@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
is this a good drive?
Also, If I am considering the cloud as an option, what is the prefered way to get backups into the cloud? it seems like VTL is one way to go, but I can't tell if that is appropriate for my situation because I have zero existing tape infrastructure. I can do something like copy to a synology, and then just sync that with backblaze. Thoughts?
VTL doesn't get you to a cloud store, it just makes a cloud store look like tape when your backup won't talk to cloud.
It seems like a common middle man to get veeam -> to cloud. Thats why I want to know if it is something I should look into or not.
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@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
@scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:
@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
is this a good drive?
Also, If I am considering the cloud as an option, what is the prefered way to get backups into the cloud? it seems like VTL is one way to go, but I can't tell if that is appropriate for my situation because I have zero existing tape infrastructure. I can do something like copy to a synology, and then just sync that with backblaze. Thoughts?
VTL doesn't get you to a cloud store, it just makes a cloud store look like tape when your backup won't talk to cloud.
It seems like a common middle man to get veeam -> to cloud. Thats why I want to know if it is something I should look into or not.
yes, specifically for Veeam going to unsupported cloud, it will act as a middle man.
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@scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:
@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
@scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:
@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
is this a good drive?
Also, If I am considering the cloud as an option, what is the prefered way to get backups into the cloud? it seems like VTL is one way to go, but I can't tell if that is appropriate for my situation because I have zero existing tape infrastructure. I can do something like copy to a synology, and then just sync that with backblaze. Thoughts?
VTL doesn't get you to a cloud store, it just makes a cloud store look like tape when your backup won't talk to cloud.
It seems like a common middle man to get veeam -> to cloud. Thats why I want to know if it is something I should look into or not.
yes, specifically for Veeam going to unsupported cloud, it will act as a middle man.
is it better to go straight to one of veeam's cloud partners?
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@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
@scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:
@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
@scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:
@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
is this a good drive?
Also, If I am considering the cloud as an option, what is the prefered way to get backups into the cloud? it seems like VTL is one way to go, but I can't tell if that is appropriate for my situation because I have zero existing tape infrastructure. I can do something like copy to a synology, and then just sync that with backblaze. Thoughts?
VTL doesn't get you to a cloud store, it just makes a cloud store look like tape when your backup won't talk to cloud.
It seems like a common middle man to get veeam -> to cloud. Thats why I want to know if it is something I should look into or not.
yes, specifically for Veeam going to unsupported cloud, it will act as a middle man.
is it better to go straight to one of veeam's cloud partners?
Tape is way faster and cheaper than "cloud backup" stuff. You'd be better off buying the cheap Amazon archive storage tier and just long term archiving your raw tape back up files to it periodically. Of course ymmv, but in my case it made no sense.
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@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
@scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:
@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
@scottalanmiller said in Adding tape drive:
@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
is this a good drive?
Also, If I am considering the cloud as an option, what is the prefered way to get backups into the cloud? it seems like VTL is one way to go, but I can't tell if that is appropriate for my situation because I have zero existing tape infrastructure. I can do something like copy to a synology, and then just sync that with backblaze. Thoughts?
VTL doesn't get you to a cloud store, it just makes a cloud store look like tape when your backup won't talk to cloud.
It seems like a common middle man to get veeam -> to cloud. Thats why I want to know if it is something I should look into or not.
yes, specifically for Veeam going to unsupported cloud, it will act as a middle man.
is it better to go straight to one of veeam's cloud partners?
No, it's just important to keep in mind that VTL as a middle man only makes sense in certain scenarios, not as a starting point, unless you want to mimic tape.
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at this point, I would have to get management buy in to really consider cloud, I want to evaluate the options before hand to know how much I should or shouldn't be pushing for the cloud. Recent conversations with @scottalanmiller have me questioning our historical reasons and motivations for why we use what we use. In my case, we have a mix of prior misinformed speculation and my limited personal experience.
I don't see a reason to emulate tape if I'm not going to use tape, but I really don't know
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@Donahue said in Adding tape drive:
at this point, I would have to get management buy in to really consider cloud, I want to evaluate the options before hand to know how much I should or shouldn't be pushing for the cloud. Recent conversations with @scottalanmiller have me questioning our historical reasons and motivations for why we use what we use. In my case, we have a mix of prior misinformed speculation and my limited personal experience.
I don't see a reason to emulate tape if I'm not going to use tape, but I really don't know
Well if you use tape, then no reason to emulate.
