Why is the Third World Running Windows?
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@obsolesce said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Perhaps another reason would be that many third-world countries provide tech support for Windows-heavy countries, therefore are forced into using the same systems either because they have to, or because that's what they are forced to get used to.
This is likely true for many, or several. But for most of the third world, exporting IT is not a thing.
Example... no third world North American country is an IT exporter, they are IT importers. Central America, even Panama, imports IT from Colombia and Mexico, rather than doing it themselves, let alone exporting it to the first world.
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@dbeato said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
To be honest in the Dominican Republic for Example, they run Microsoft because that's what they have been trying to copy from the US a lot. But the majority of bank systems, big companies are running in Linux Servers but Windows Desktops. That being said, there is also no a lot of enforcement of Microsoft Licensing which can be tricky as well.
Yeah, the feeling that they get it for "free" when it's costly here makes people think "well, if Americans PAY for it, and we get it for free, it MUST be a good deal." Ugh.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@dbeato said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
To be honest in the Dominican Republic for Example, they run Microsoft because that's what they have been trying to copy from the US a lot. But the majority of bank systems, big companies are running in Linux Servers but Windows Desktops. That being said, there is also no a lot of enforcement of Microsoft Licensing which can be tricky as well.
Yeah, the feeling that they get it for "free" when it's costly here makes people think "well, if Americans PAY for it, and we get it for free, it MUST be a good deal." Ugh.
Which bothers me a lot...
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@dbeato said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@dbeato said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
To be honest in the Dominican Republic for Example, they run Microsoft because that's what they have been trying to copy from the US a lot. But the majority of bank systems, big companies are running in Linux Servers but Windows Desktops. That being said, there is also no a lot of enforcement of Microsoft Licensing which can be tricky as well.
Yeah, the feeling that they get it for "free" when it's costly here makes people think "well, if Americans PAY for it, and we get it for free, it MUST be a good deal." Ugh.
Which bothers me a lot...
Yeah, not good logic in the US, not good logic elsewhere. Too much "high cost equals value" along with too much "Americans must know what they are doing."
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Yeah, the feeling that they get it for "free" when it's costly here makes people think "well, if Americans PAY for it, and we get it for free, it MUST be a good deal." Ugh.
Slightly different: "If it's legaly free, it's probably not that good"
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@mario-jakovina said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Yeah, the feeling that they get it for "free" when it's costly here makes people think "well, if Americans PAY for it, and we get it for free, it MUST be a good deal." Ugh.
Slightly different: "If it's legaly free, it's probably not that good"
That's EVER WORSE. Of all three logical mistakes, that one is far worse than the other too.
That's like saying that sex with someone you love has to be worse than even the cheapest prostitute.
Not that there aren't nice prostitutes, but you know, on average....
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Not that there aren't nice prostitutes
I can't imagine anyone choosing that "career" path being nice in anything.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Personally I feel that Linux on ARM, which can easily include Chromebook devices, is the ideal for most of the third world. Low cost to acquire, low cost to maintain, free to keep updated forever, high longevity of devices, low cost to operate, low impact on the environment and the power infrastructure.
Haswell i5 or Boadcom Intel NUC draws 9 watts watching youtube. x86 isn't all Xeon power sucking beasts.
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@mario-jakovina said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Slightly different: "If it's legaly free, it's probably not that good"
Microsoft gave away Windows 10 in China. In other countries, the OEM price they charge for embedded is a pack of cigarettes.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
This is likely true for many, or several. But for most of the third world, exporting IT is not a thing.
Example... no third world North American country is an IT exporter, they are IT importers. Central America, even Panama, imports IT from Colombia and Mexico, rather than doing it themselves, let alone exporting it to the first world.Costa Rica exports IT services. Services are a huge part of their economy (We run back office, and some GSS operations there).
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@jmoore said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@coliver I believe that's right. Lenovo does the consumer stuff and IBM still makes servers and a lot of software.
IBM exited the x86 server market as well as the PC (business and consumer) by selling these to Lenovo. IBM has shifted x86 to selling cloud (IBM Cloud formerly bluemix, softlayer etc) and Z and i Series PPC based systems.
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@storageninja Got it thankyou
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@storageninja said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@mario-jakovina said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Slightly different: "If it's legaly free, it's probably not that good"
Microsoft gave away Windows 10 in China. In other countries, the OEM price they charge for embedded is a pack of cigarettes.
Even if you get an elephant on your shoulders for free... you'll still have an elephant on your shoulders.
There's a big cost to having Windows, not just potential costs for obtaining it.
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@obsolesce said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Not that there aren't nice prostitutes
I can't imagine anyone choosing that "career" path being nice in anything.
Outside of the US, it's often a respectable or at least acceptable option. In the US where it is illegal and stigmatized, the impression becomes very different.
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@storageninja said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Personally I feel that Linux on ARM, which can easily include Chromebook devices, is the ideal for most of the third world. Low cost to acquire, low cost to maintain, free to keep updated forever, high longevity of devices, low cost to operate, low impact on the environment and the power infrastructure.
Haswell i5 or Boadcom Intel NUC draws 9 watts watching youtube. x86 isn't all Xeon power sucking beasts.
But there is a reason literally no one is making a decent AMD64 powered laptop for low power usage. Look at the Chromebook space, all the AMD64s cost more, last much less time, are bigger, heavier, and don't really perform, for most tasks, noticeably better. If the AMD64s are so decent, why is no one making decent gear with them?
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@storageninja said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
This is likely true for many, or several. But for most of the third world, exporting IT is not a thing.
Example... no third world North American country is an IT exporter, they are IT importers. Central America, even Panama, imports IT from Colombia and Mexico, rather than doing it themselves, let alone exporting it to the first world.Costa Rica exports IT services. Services are a huge part of their economy (We run back office, and some GSS operations there).
That's true, sorry, forgot CR. They do IT and manufacturing.
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@storageninja said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@jmoore said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@coliver I believe that's right. Lenovo does the consumer stuff and IBM still makes servers and a lot of software.
IBM exited the x86 server market as well as the PC (business and consumer) by selling these to Lenovo.
PC being the IBM AMD64 architecture
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Outside of the US, it's often a respectable or at least acceptable option
That doesn't change what it is, regardless of who "respects" it.
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@obsolesce said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Outside of the US, it's often a respectable or at least acceptable option
That doesn't change what it is, regardless of who "respects" it.
Sure, but it's only the lack of respect in the US that makes it feel like what it "is" is something bad.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@obsolesce said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:
Outside of the US, it's often a respectable or at least acceptable option
That doesn't change what it is, regardless of who "respects" it.
Sure, but it's only the lack of respect in the US that makes it feel like what it "is" is something bad.
In the same way it's respectable in some countries to blow yourself up to kill others who don't believe the same crap as you do.
