Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740
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@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
That's what I was getting at, to see what CPU it has with integrted graphics:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f28/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview.html
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@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
I tried installing Fedora 28 on an old HP server a couple of weeks ago and the installer hanged itself in the same spot. I never tried text mode install with that one. Funny thing is that the latest Centos 7 behaved the same but Xenserver (xcp-ng 7.4) was a trouble-free installation. Debian 9.5 also worked (I always use the text installer by default).
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
I'd be surprised if that wasn't the problem. Servers tend to have some very old and crappy graphics cards by default, and, really, it should be that way. I can see that changing in the future, but it'll be a while yet.
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@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
That's what I was getting at, to see what CPU it has with integrted graphics:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f28/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview.html
Fedora Server doesn't look for that stuff, though.
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@travisdh1 In the past installers just used the VESA modes which works on just about anything. So even if it's old (or too new) it "should" still work.
If the installer tries to load proper drivers however, but fails, you might run into an installation problem. Has to be some kind of bug though.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
That's what I was getting at, to see what CPU it has with integrted graphics:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f28/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview.html
Fedora Server doesn't look for that stuff, though.
If it's not graphics related, then the install GUI should show.
Try it on a working system just to see what the next step is, that's where it's being held up.
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@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@travisdh1 In the past installers just used the VESA modes which works on just about anything. So even if it's old (or too new) it "should" still work.
If the installer tries to load proper drivers however, but fails, you might run into an installation problem. Has to be some kind of bug though.
You have seen how old those graphics adapters are, right? I remember one popular model on servers was originally a VESA adapter.
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@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
That's what I was getting at, to see what CPU it has with integrted graphics:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f28/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview.html
Fedora Server doesn't look for that stuff, though.
If it's not graphics related, then the install GUI should show.
Try it on a working system just to see what the next step is, that's where it's being held up.
GUI DOES SHOW!!
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@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
That's what I was getting at, to see what CPU it has with integrted graphics:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f28/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview.html
I don't think any server CPUs have integrated graphics.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
I don't think any server CPUs have integrated graphics.
Xeon E3-1200 series with 5 at the end have integrated graphics, for instance E3-1285V6.
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@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
I don't think any server CPUs have integrated graphics.
Xeon E3-1200 series with 5 at the end have integrated graphics, for instance E3-1285V6.
Wow, really? That's so weird.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
I don't think any server CPUs have integrated graphics.
Xeon E3-1200 series with 5 at the end have integrated graphics, for instance E3-1285V6.
Wow, really? That's so weird.
Ah, so then it's on the board or chipset or whatever and not on most server class Xeons.
Didn't know you were getting to the GUI... so all is well now? You got past the part in your original SS?
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@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
I don't think any server CPUs have integrated graphics.
Xeon E3-1200 series with 5 at the end have integrated graphics, for instance E3-1285V6.
Wow, really? That's so weird.
Ah, so then it's on the board or chipset or whatever and not on most server class Xeons.
Didn't know you were getting to the GUI... so all is well now? You got past the part in your original SS?
Yes, it just needs a different GUI setting, it appears. Good so far.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
I don't think any server CPUs have integrated graphics.
Xeon E3-1200 series with 5 at the end have integrated graphics, for instance E3-1285V6.
Wow, really? That's so weird.
The "new" trend is to have GPUs do some of the work that CPUs normally handle. Things that require massively parallel operations, like video encoding. So we have moved from a single monolithic processor to specialized processors, and now everything is moving back to a single monolithic processor.
AMD began the trend when they moved the memory controller on-die and then on-chip. Now we're seeing GPUs added on-die to CPUs not to be used as a graphics processor, but as purely compute.
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@travisdh1 said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
I don't think any server CPUs have integrated graphics.
Xeon E3-1200 series with 5 at the end have integrated graphics, for instance E3-1285V6.
Wow, really? That's so weird.
The "new" trend is to have GPUs do some of the work that CPUs normally handle. Things that require massively parallel operations, like video encoding. So we have moved from a single monolithic processor to specialized processors, and now everything is moving back to a single monolithic processor.
AMD began the trend when they moved the memory controller on-die and then on-chip. Now we're seeing GPUs added on-die to CPUs not to be used as a graphics processor, but as purely compute.
Not on servers, though.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@travisdh1 said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
I don't think any server CPUs have integrated graphics.
Xeon E3-1200 series with 5 at the end have integrated graphics, for instance E3-1285V6.
Wow, really? That's so weird.
The "new" trend is to have GPUs do some of the work that CPUs normally handle. Things that require massively parallel operations, like video encoding. So we have moved from a single monolithic processor to specialized processors, and now everything is moving back to a single monolithic processor.
AMD began the trend when they moved the memory controller on-die and then on-chip. Now we're seeing GPUs added on-die to CPUs not to be used as a graphics processor, but as purely compute.
Not on servers, though.
Seriously? Do you not remember me talking about IRIX? SGI had entire series' of graphics servers. They even had this neat demo program where you could look at satellite imagery of a globe. Scroll around and zoom in and out. Even had some good close-in views that NASA had taken and so was publicly available from when NASA was using the SR-71s. Then SGI declared bankruptcy, Google grabbed their HQ, and a few years latter, hey look, Google came out with Google Earth.
The idea lives today, in a form that makes us all go FFS, in the places that do CAD/CAM via RDP.
I almost forgot about the GPU as compute, which is a big thing in high-performance compute.
I'll grant that servers with GPU are the exception, and for good reason. They'll always be around tho, especially as more algorithms are able to take advantage of massively parallel architecture.
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@travisdh1 said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@travisdh1 said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
I don't think any server CPUs have integrated graphics.
Xeon E3-1200 series with 5 at the end have integrated graphics, for instance E3-1285V6.
Wow, really? That's so weird.
The "new" trend is to have GPUs do some of the work that CPUs normally handle. Things that require massively parallel operations, like video encoding. So we have moved from a single monolithic processor to specialized processors, and now everything is moving back to a single monolithic processor.
AMD began the trend when they moved the memory controller on-die and then on-chip. Now we're seeing GPUs added on-die to CPUs not to be used as a graphics processor, but as purely compute.
Not on servers, though.
Seriously? Do you not remember me talking about IRIX? SGI had entire series' of graphics servers. They even had this neat demo program where you could look at satellite imagery of a globe. Scroll around and zoom in and out. Even had some good close-in views that NASA had taken and so was publicly available from when NASA was using the SR-71s. Then SGI declared bankruptcy, Google grabbed their HQ, and a few years latter, hey look, Google came out with Google Earth.
The idea lives today, in a form that makes us all go FFS, in the places that do CAD/CAM via RDP.
I almost forgot about the GPU as compute, which is a big thing in high-performance compute.
I'll grant that servers with GPU are the exception, and for good reason. They'll always be around tho, especially as more algorithms are able to take advantage of massively parallel architecture.
But it wasn't embedded in teh CPUs.
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Same problem with Fedora 28 on Dell T330. Fallback to CentOS, everything works.
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@francesco-provino said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Same problem with Fedora 28 on Dell T330. Fallback to CentOS, everything works.
Fedora 28 worked fine. No issues once I knew to use the alternative installer option.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@francesco-provino said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Same problem with Fedora 28 on Dell T330. Fallback to CentOS, everything works.
Fedora 28 worked fine. No issues once I knew to use the alternative installer option.
I feel kinda sad that the text only installer is completely gone now. It was so much faster.... of course nothing is as fast as a Kickstart install.
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@travisdh1 said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@francesco-provino said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Same problem with Fedora 28 on Dell T330. Fallback to CentOS, everything works.
Fedora 28 worked fine. No issues once I knew to use the alternative installer option.
I feel kinda sad that the text only installer is completely gone now. It was so much faster.... of course nothing is as fast as a Kickstart install.
Yeah, I agree. I preferred that.
