Routers Vs. Firewall
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
p.s Yes I know core routers out on the internet backbone are router only. But we are talking about endpoint routers here.
Even those have ACLs today. They might not enact them, but the option is there.
True.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
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@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
My boss's argument: A router is a device that forwards data packets alongnetworks. A router is connected to at least two networks, commonly two LANs or WANs or a LAN and its ISP'snetwork. Routers are located at gateways, the places where two or more networks connect.
That's an "argument"? How does this not describe a firewall?
My thoughts exactly, Because I currently have an EdgeRouter at home, its a firewall. It runs APs.
it is what pushing the internet out to the APs. -
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
I thought this WAS the customers arguing. If the customers are calling it a router, they sound like they likely know more.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
My boss's argument: A router is a device that forwards data packets alongnetworks. A router is connected to at least two networks, commonly two LANs or WANs or a LAN and its ISP'snetwork. Routers are located at gateways, the places where two or more networks connect.
That's an "argument"? How does this not describe a firewall?
My thoughts exactly, Because I currently have an EdgeRouter at home, its a firewall.
And a better one than that SonicWall stuff.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
I thought this WAS the customers arguing. If the customers are calling it a router, they sound like they likely know more.
this is my boss
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
So basically, they don't know what a router is and think the SonicWall can't route?
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
I thought this WAS the customers arguing. If the customers are calling it a router, they sound like they likely know more.
this is my boss
This is definitely sub-intern level stuff. This is a knowledge piece that falls somewhere between user and power user. Lots of home users, LOTS OF THEM, including ones that are unclear what a Word document is, know when they have a router.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
So basically, they don't know what a router is and think the SonicWall can't route?
The know that sonic walls can route, but you cant go to walmart and get a router, and expect it to do the same thing as a sonic wall.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
So basically, they don't know what a router is and think the SonicWall can't route?
The know that sonic walls can route, but you cant go to walmart and get a router, and expect it to do the same thing as a sonic wall.
But you can't go there and get a firewall and expect it to do the same as a SonicWall, either. So that isn't an argument. You can't go to Walmart and get a router, you only get firewalls.
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@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
I thought this WAS the customers arguing. If the customers are calling it a router, they sound like they likely know more.
this is my boss
This is definitely sub-intern level stuff. This is a knowledge piece that falls somewhere between user and power user. Lots of home users, LOTS OF THEM, including ones that are unclear what a Word document is, know when they have a router.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/17327/where-does-intern-level-fall-on-the-scale
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The problem, I assume, is that your boss is confusing Firewall and UTM. SonicWalls are crappy UTMs, that's their selling point (literally both that they are crappy, and UTMs), not that they are firewalls.
UTM has become "too complex" for end users and they start calling them firewalls, which is confusing because everything is a firewall, but only a few things are UTMs.
So because your boss has confused firewall and UTM, he now has to be confused as to what a router is, because he conflated something that was essentially synonymous with router with something different and has lost all concept of what he is discussing.
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Yeah, a SonicWall is not a router or a firewall. It is a UTM. A shitty one btw. This is a totally different concept than a router or a firewall.
A UTM contains a firewall, router, IPS, IDS, endpoint antivirus, etc.
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@jaredbusch said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Yeah, a SonicWall is not a router or a firewall. It is a UTM. A shitty one btw. This is a totally different concept than a router or a firewall.
A UTM contains a firewall, router, IPS, IDS, endpoint antivirus, etc.
So we were both wrong? LOL
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrx7m said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Im under the impression of yes but everyone at the office wants to fight me and tell me otherwise,
So What do you think?That you should only get into these kinds of discussions with IT people. Random people don't understand these IT terms and will say anything based on airport marketing campaigns they saw once while going to Disney World.
LOL I simply made a comment and it turned into a huge thing
End users are like that
i can see that.
Now the whole thing started because i called a sonic wall a router rather than a sonic wall.
Most, if not all, sonciwalls have routing, firewall and a bunch more stuff, like AV, filtering, WAF, etc. It is considered a UTM.
hence why i called it a router rather than a sonic wall.. it does teh same thing as a router pluse some.
Apparently this is something these guys have arguements about with customers who think they know it all.
I thought this WAS the customers arguing. If the customers are calling it a router, they sound like they likely know more.
this is my boss
Your boss needs fired.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Yeah, a SonicWall is not a router or a firewall. It is a UTM. A shitty one btw. This is a totally different concept than a router or a firewall.
A UTM contains a firewall, router, IPS, IDS, endpoint antivirus, etc.
So we were both wrong? LOL
More or less. But in your defense, the terms router and firewall are perfectly interchangeable.
The subsequent argument is fucking stupid, and from how it was presented here, reinforces how sorry I feel for you.
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@wrcombs said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Routers Vs. Firewall:
Yeah, a SonicWall is not a router or a firewall. It is a UTM. A shitty one btw. This is a totally different concept than a router or a firewall.
A UTM contains a firewall, router, IPS, IDS, endpoint antivirus, etc.
So we were both wrong? LOL
Not really. You called it a router, which it is. So correcting you was wrong, because you were right. Being a UTM does not stop it being a router.
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@WrCombs you could have called it a firewall, and been right, too. Or called it a UTM. Had HE called it a firewall and you corrected him, THEN you'd have been wrong.
